Steeping Times and an Ultrasonic Cleaner Part III
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Ditto to that. My arrived today and I am very pleased with product and the company's service!
I really like the experiments with ultrasonic and if I'm reading it all correctly, the results are better than simply a warm bath.
After thinking it through, I wonder if warming the juice and then spinning it in a small high speed blender for a good while would be similar or even better. The blender will introduce air which you'd think would speed that "just enough" oxidation needed, and it would certainly blend it all together. Anybody try doing that? I'd try it but I think my wife would kill me for using her blender on my ejuice.
After thinking it through, I wonder if warming the juice and then spinning it in a small high speed blender for a good while would be similar or even better. The blender will introduce air which you'd think would speed that "just enough" oxidation needed, and it would certainly blend it all together. Anybody try doing that? I'd try it but I think my wife would kill me for using her blender on my ejuice.
I really like the experiments with ultrasonic and if I'm reading it all correctly, the results are better than simply a warm bath.
After thinking it through, I wonder if warming the juice and then spinning it in a small high speed blender for a good while would be similar or even better. The blender will introduce air which you'd think would speed that "just enough" oxidation needed, and it would certainly blend it all together. Anybody try doing that? I'd try it but I think my wife would kill me for using her blender on my ejuice.
Update: I have run an additional seven 30ml (New juice purchased from various vendors) bottles through my new US and all have had great results. The end results was very vapeable juice. As previously posted, I followed the procedure advice from @Mowgli and @bobalex as provided in earlier posts in this thread. I'm not sure about the blender method however, my vote would always be with a Mad Scientist to run the experiment. Good luck and try your best to avoid "death by wife" if you decide to give it a whirl!
My process is very similar. You got some great advice there.
I really like the experiments with ultrasonic and if I'm reading it all correctly, the results are better than simply a warm bath.
After thinking it through, I wonder if warming the juice and then spinning it in a small high speed blender for a good while would be similar or even better. The blender will introduce air which you'd think would speed that "just enough" oxidation needed, and it would certainly blend it all together. Anybody try doing that? I'd try it but I think my wife would kill me for using her blender on my ejuice.
I'm not to sure about the blender idea. Introducing to much air to quickly may over oxidize the NIC and produce a harsher then normal vape. The idea of steeping is to control the rate of oxidation as well as melding flavor molecules to the base material. This seems to be accomplished my adding motion and heat at a constant temperature over a certain period of time. A UC seems to provide heat and motion where as a crock pot just adds heat. So you are correct that a UC is a better choice. But there was a blind taste test done which I participated in where there was very little difference between both a UC and crock pot (Results are further back in this thread). The UC did have a very slight edge when both were done at 150F over 5 hours. So the debate turned into nothing more then "Is the cost of a UC over a crock pot worth the extra expense".
This test started right around here.
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Fantastic actual scientific test! Same as the old adage: if you can't tell it doesn't matter.
I think I will need to try the blender idea. Can't get good data without an empirical test lol.
It really works!!!
I made 5 test batches of juice, one of which FA Cowboy Blend. Of that one i know its color changes after 2 or 3 weeks of steeping.
I put the bottles for an hour (2 times 30 minutes) in the ultrasonic. And BAM, the cowboy blend is colored yellow.
From the taste of it i can say that this method is worth a two weeks steep. So two weeks brought back to 1 hour
Perfect solution! Me happy
Great idea. Someone should run that test using a blender, a milk frother, A paint shaker, a sawz-all and a UC.
I just did my first DIY batch yesterday. I steeped in a UC with heat. One minor issue, my bottles had screw-on caps, which were tightened. The heat seemed to ruin the rubbery cap seals. These caps are the ones with a conical poly seal.
The caps don't leak, but as I tighten them, it feels like the caps hit hard plastic, not a soft gasket. That wasn't the case prior to UC/heating.
Should I loosen the caps slightly while in the UC? Maybe that would help. ?
Other than that, it went well. Haven't tasted the juice yet. Waiting 2 days...
By the way, thanks for the great guidance from this thread!
The caps don't leak, but as I tighten them, it feels like the caps hit hard plastic, not a soft gasket. That wasn't the case prior to UC/heating.
Should I loosen the caps slightly while in the UC? Maybe that would help. ?
Other than that, it went well. Haven't tasted the juice yet. Waiting 2 days...
By the way, thanks for the great guidance from this thread!
I take the caps off on my 60 ml bottles when I first steep with my UC. I read on ecf somewhere that it helps oxidize/ oxidate? Ha, the molecules and nicotine and all that good stuff. I've got a UC from Amazon, it's a Black Hills Gold (sorry, don't know how to post a thread of the model) that holds 2 60 ml bottles with ease. It can hold 3, but I wasn't sure they should be touching each other. My model can do 30 min. cycles. I do 10-12 cycles and it's vapable, I use tobacco flavors only. I have made some good stuff from recipes right here on ecf. I'm still a noon, but I've read hundreds of threads on this site. Happy to be a member. So that's my advice diyguy, just leave caps off and shake em' every cycle, or when you think to. Vape on!
Gosh, there are so many messages in this thread, and it's been a couple weeks since I read many of them. But somehow I got the impression that leaving the caps ON was preferred. One reason (I think there were others) was to prevent water dripping from the UC lid into the bottles. This wouldn't be a concern with large bottles that extend higher than the lid perhaps, but mine are all 15ml at this stage, and I used the lid.
My 15ml bottles dance around along the UC pan bottom during the cycle. They didn't tip over, but it was a concern given all the movement.
My 15ml bottles dance around along the UC pan bottom during the cycle. They didn't tip over, but it was a concern given all the movement.
I worried about mine tipping over too so I rubber band all the bottles together regardless of size and it gives it real nice stability.
The poly cone caps may have gotten soft during steeping but should harden when cooled so as long as they don't leak I wouldn't worry about it. Next time screw on the caps just to they tightened and don't leak. Don't crank down on them super tight.
I'm not so sure about steeping with the caps off. I would be concerned about condensation getting into the bottles. I've been steeping with a UC for over 2 years with the caps on and gotten excellent results. The only reason you would want to take the caps off is to air off alcohol or unpleasent chemical odor and taste. And at that airing is only done for 24 - 48 hours and not during the steeping process. Airing and steeping are 2 different things with different purposes. You should read my blog on steeping.
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Sorry, the lid of my UC doesn't close with 2 60ml bottles in it. I would steep and shake for a day with the 60ml bottles, caps off, then cap and set aside in the dark for a week or so, while doing the next batch. I'd forgotten that I started with the 15ml bottles. Of course those had the droppers on them and must not be submerged and leak out of, or water into them. I mix in 118ml batches, then shake up a few times, and divide into 2 60ml bottles, hence the caps off. It was late when I posted, apologies to danny45, I will re-read your post.
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