I have personally wondered about the silica wicks for some time and have been experimenting with rebuilding the kanger t3 coils with rolled cotton... better safe than sorry in my opinion, but still on the silica wicks for now. Someday I will just stop breathing so I don't have to worry about such things!! LOL
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How was it determined that every single vendor is useing amourphous sillica and not crystalized sillca? I'm just an average joe, I was just curious how it was determined that all vendors use the amourphous version. I couldnt figure that part out.
I read that it takes extreme temperatures and pressures but, how do we know they arent buying the sillica from a manufacturer with those capabilities?
I read that it takes extreme temperatures and pressures but, how do we know they arent buying the sillica from a manufacturer with those capabilities?
The problem is there is no consistency with the manufacturing of most e-cigarette parts, mainly because the majority of cartomizers come from China. They still use extremely toxic chemicals like dioxin to bleach fabric and textiles. Just because a cartomizer is listed as cotton does not mean it's cotton. I recently purchased a batch of "cotton" wick cartomizers only to find the material was fiberglass. In my opinion, this may be the "Achilles Heel" of e-cigs when and if they are regulated.
Hopefully, some smart MIT geek will figure out a way to vaporize without wicks, coils and the byproducts of heating them.
Chance
Hopefully, some smart MIT geek will figure out a way to vaporize without wicks, coils and the byproducts of heating them.
Chance
How about hemp wicks SteampunkPirate? Sounds safer to me.
I want to bring this thread back from the dead to say something:
When a cartomizer goes drier in taste, where I can taste a tinge of polyfil, all the sudden I feel buildup in the back of my throat.
When an atomizer head starts to have that wicky, silica bite and tasting a little to dry, I suddenly feel a LOT of buildup on the back of my throat.
When I've experimented with hemp wicks, I IMMEDIATELY feel a dusty vape in my mouth and building up in my throat.
When I've experimented with cotton wicks, the dusty texture of the vape is so severe, even on just one toot, that it makes me cough and gag up mucus for minutes, and I'll be stuck with a huge lump of dusty particle feeling mess in my throat for about an hour.
This did not happen with Cisco and the silica and/or style of coil that they build, and the ohms I bought it at.
This did not happen when I did a "wickless" experiment by vaping a coil with liquid on it for just one toot (it is possible, just don't toot it a second time without re-applying liquid, it'll taste HORRIBLE.)
I personally believe that there are coil defects and/or silica defects that are causing this extreme side effect with me - not only is it a physical issue, it's a taste issue, as these particles always taste like a singed sock to my tongue, and it's full and in-the-face. I can only vape the products that don't do this, which are virtually none.
It's not nicotine, it's not drying, it's literal physical matter that I can swallow in the back of my throat, though it will feel lodged for awhile, diminishing with each swallow. I can feel it coming unlodged as I swallow, and I can feel the clumps of dust being traveled down to my throat, it's like I'm swallowing a small bit of bread almost.
When a cartomizer goes drier in taste, where I can taste a tinge of polyfil, all the sudden I feel buildup in the back of my throat.
When an atomizer head starts to have that wicky, silica bite and tasting a little to dry, I suddenly feel a LOT of buildup on the back of my throat.
When I've experimented with hemp wicks, I IMMEDIATELY feel a dusty vape in my mouth and building up in my throat.
When I've experimented with cotton wicks, the dusty texture of the vape is so severe, even on just one toot, that it makes me cough and gag up mucus for minutes, and I'll be stuck with a huge lump of dusty particle feeling mess in my throat for about an hour.
This did not happen with Cisco and the silica and/or style of coil that they build, and the ohms I bought it at.
This did not happen when I did a "wickless" experiment by vaping a coil with liquid on it for just one toot (it is possible, just don't toot it a second time without re-applying liquid, it'll taste HORRIBLE.)
I personally believe that there are coil defects and/or silica defects that are causing this extreme side effect with me - not only is it a physical issue, it's a taste issue, as these particles always taste like a singed sock to my tongue, and it's full and in-the-face. I can only vape the products that don't do this, which are virtually none.
It's not nicotine, it's not drying, it's literal physical matter that I can swallow in the back of my throat, though it will feel lodged for awhile, diminishing with each swallow. I can feel it coming unlodged as I swallow, and I can feel the clumps of dust being traveled down to my throat, it's like I'm swallowing a small bit of bread almost.
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Just do like I did - buy yourself a whole roll of Kanthal A1 so you're sure it's really Kanthal, buy also a roll of silica and just rewick your coils every week or so, it's not that hard!! Btw, I also don't trust atomizer wholesalers and vendors no matter if they're Chinese or not - I just buy some protank heads and rewick them with my materials BEFORE vaping.
Because nobody uses crystalized silica for making threads, strings, ropes, etc. It is not a suitable material.
Does anyone read this thread before posting? Read posts #47, 63, 70, and 71. Those 4 posts will address 99% of questions as to the safety of using silica. For those who can't be bothered to look those posts up, here's the abbreviated version:
Vaping with silica wicks is safe.
I don't think they're stupid at all and the fact they're numerous indicates a need for more talk, clarification and experiment.
We should all be striving to do what we can to make vaping as safe as possible for everyone. Even if the only contribution is asking questions, however silly they may be, it's still better than nothing.
So yeah... maybe a sub does indeed make sense, but definitely not because the threads are "stupid".
the dangerous silica is the type found in silica sand.
that's why you have to wear a mask when mixing.
its used in cements,concretes,and premixed ceiling and wall textures.there's other uses i'm sure.
once mixed and wet its virtually harmless.
in its natural state the fine particles are very small and will get in your lungs.
the silica as used in wicks is is in a very stable state after the manufacturing process and
should be harmless in its intended purpose.i would think that who ever is making it would be
using a mask though.
regards
mike
that's why you have to wear a mask when mixing.
its used in cements,concretes,and premixed ceiling and wall textures.there's other uses i'm sure.
once mixed and wet its virtually harmless.
in its natural state the fine particles are very small and will get in your lungs.
the silica as used in wicks is is in a very stable state after the manufacturing process and
should be harmless in its intended purpose.i would think that who ever is making it would be
using a mask though.
regards
mike
Crystaline Silica...the stuff that causes Silicosis.
Amorphous Silica...the stuff that's in our wicks.
...and yeah that's already been covered in this thread, by very knowledgeable people. Refer to posts #47, 63, 70, and 71.
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Agree and I would add that we are not comparing e-cig to analogs with our safety concerns about vaping.
Saying that ecig is safer than analogs is a given and is not a counter argument but is often used as such.
So glad I read the whole thread. I usually do before posting as my post becomes moot or my question is answered in the thread.
I would like to add, though, that the reason we vapers are concerned about the safety of e-ciggs when we didn't seem concerned enough about smoking until we quit analogs is directly related to the reason we gave up analogs. We became concerned enough about our health to finally get off of analogs, at least I did and all of the vapers I personally know.
We made a step toward getting healthier or no longer doing damage to our lungs. Accepting e-ciggs without questioning the safety would be a step back. It is something we must understand so that we can make informed decisions and be able to help smokers make such informed decisions as well.
I would like to add, though, that the reason we vapers are concerned about the safety of e-ciggs when we didn't seem concerned enough about smoking until we quit analogs is directly related to the reason we gave up analogs. We became concerned enough about our health to finally get off of analogs, at least I did and all of the vapers I personally know.
We made a step toward getting healthier or no longer doing damage to our lungs. Accepting e-ciggs without questioning the safety would be a step back. It is something we must understand so that we can make informed decisions and be able to help smokers make such informed decisions as well.
Since this thread is still active, I'll post this here as well:
Since many people, myself included, have switched to cotton wicking as a preferred substitute for silica (better flavor and less hassle).
I'll stick with my Organic Cotton Balls and Yarn
There are important reasons to choose organic cotton balls and yarn over regular cotton. I'll let the discussion return to silica wicks now.
If I have an Aspire Nautilus coil or any other Ego coil, I know that these coils contain silica but do these coils let off the fibers to be inhaled in the lungs or is it contained well in the casing? If it's not contained, I'm switching to RDA right now.
I noticed that the wicks on a kanger evod glass did come apart into smaller fibers when I pulled them out of the coil- but the wick on the Halo triton holds together in one piece when I pull it out- plus the kanger had a consistently weird taste, but I think that is more due to the liquid overheating- two 1.5 ohm coils is probably just too much heat for a smaller tank- if I cant find a way to do higher ohm coils on it I ditch. I use the 2.6 ohm coils on the single coil halo triton and its plenty of heat. I'm thinking about trying hemp or cotton wicks on the kanger and maybe the halo too. I have yet to wind coils or wick anything, but intend to. I have the tools and a multimeter. I ordered some of that japanese cotton everyone was raving about. Anyone have a good source on natural unwaxed hemp?
This is exactly the thing that newbies should be concerned with. After all, they quit analogs to improve their health. Wouldn't it be awful if they found out after several hears that they were vaping asbestos...about which it is "now known that prolonged inhalation of asbestos fibers can cause serious and fatal illnesses including malignant lung cancer, mesothelioma, and asbestosis (a type of pneumoconiosis)." [Wiki]
I bought some ReadyXWick to try, then became concerned when I cut the end of a small piece into a point to thread it thru a coil, and about a thousand tiny shards fell on my desk. That gave me enough concern to not want to use it as a wick. Especially since the KGD cotton works so beautifully. It's not like we're desperate to find good wicking material.
So, does anyone here know more than I do about the ReadyXWick wicking material? All I know is all the high-heating and uber-processing of it doesn't appear to do away with its falling apart into shards.
Edit: I'm trying to read this whole thread. So far...I think further studies are warranted.
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I've had a short rope of ReadyXWick for over a week and just yesterday tried it out and vaped it throughout the day. I had queasiness (slight nausea) for the first time in years in the evening). Probably just a very rare coinkidink but I sure found your post interesting. Nevertheless, I think I'll quit the ReadyXWick forever.
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I bought some ReadyXWick to try, then became concerned when I cut the end of a small piece into a point to thread it thru a coil, and about a thousand tiny shards fell on my desk.
Edit: I'm trying to read this whole thread. So far...I think further studies are warranted.
There is a youtube out there where reviewer is taking apart one o those pre made new wicks, I think aspire or somethng, and you can see the particles of the dust coming off it and breaking off, like it was crumbling, etc. I agree about testing.
Yes, that would be a terrible idea, to eat healthily instead of eating processed foods.
By the way, millions of people do just that. Many have solved their high cholesterol, pre-diabetes, diabetes, obesity, and other health risks. Having vitality, good health, great skin, etc. is great.
Your post assumes, for some reason, that giving up processed foods is like some impossible other-worldly weirdo task......and yet, so many do, urged by their docs, and have great results to show.
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