The Womper Woom, Womp it again Sam.

[MikeyConti]

I have another question, if someone might know the answer... I was aiming for a .5 ohm coil, and when I plug all my stats into Steam Engine it says 5 full wraps (5.11, but rounded to 5). Now, check me if I'm wrong here, but because both legs have to come off the bottom on this iSub, does that mean that although it LOOKS like 5 wraps, it's actually 5-1/2 wraps, the extra half wrap being the wire going back DOWN at the end of the coil rather than UP? Is that right? And if so, how do the stock coils end up reading .45 to .48 ohms when they look exactly like my new one that I just made. Is it because they're not 24g wire, maybe?

I'm not sure I totally understand Steam Engine completely yet. Rich is gone right now, but when he gets back, I'll ask him, too. He might know.

I dont really rebuild stock coils much, so I am learning somewhat here too. Looking at Steam Engine, I think you are right that its the leg lengths. Steam Engine Rounds full 5 wraps with 5mm Legs(Total, each being 2.5mm) to .48ohms and Rounded to Half Wraps is .53ohms. So for it to be reading a little high sounds normal too me!

@TrollDragon get your Knowledge in here!! lol

And where the hell is @Boden ?!!?

 

[TrollDragon]

A nice single coil on the Stumpy works well too.

Word!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Where is Boden? I haz not scene him in a while.

 

[MMW]

Where is Boden? I haz not scene him in a while.

Was wondering this also. Love that fellas approach to building.

 

[Woofer]

@Lannie

Steam Engine has a data entry field for "Leg length (total)".
That is for the distance from the screw to the coil.

Boden said he was involved in a project last post I saw from him. That was some time ago.

 

[TrollDragon]

@TrollDragon get your Knowledge in here!! lol

I have another question, if someone might know the answer... I was aiming for a .5 ohm coil, and when I plug all my stats into Steam Engine it says 5 full wraps (5.11, but rounded to 5). Now, check me if I'm wrong here, but because both legs have to come off the bottom on this iSub, does that mean that although it LOOKS like 5 wraps, it's actually 5-1/2 wraps, the extra half wrap being the wire going back DOWN at the end of the coil rather than UP? Is that right? And if so, how do the stock coils end up reading .45 to .48 ohms when they look exactly like my new one that I just made. Is it because they're not 24g wire, maybe?

I'm not sure I totally understand Steam Engine completely yet. Rich is gone right now, but when he gets back, I'll ask him, too. He might know.

My guess is that the Kanthal in the stock coil could be a different diameter, either the wire itself or the ID of the coil. You can get 10 different wires of the same gauge from different manufacturers and they will have a little difference in tolerance. Even wire from the same manufacturer can have a different tolerance when dies get worn etc... Could be the actual composition of the wire might be different as well.

The notation of coils with both legs going the same direction is an X/X wrap, in your case you have 5 loop edges on the top and 4 on the bottom, so it's a 5/4 wrap.

No biggie if the ohms don't come out exact, congrats on your build!

 

[MMW]

Am I the only one who doesn't use Steam Engine or the like? Of course, I don't build on Mechs so I never have a target range.

 

[MikeyConti]

Word!

FastTech is out of the Black Stumpy's
I'm trying to Organize a FastTech Bookmark Folder(About time lol) and see what I can order!

Nice Build!

 

[MikeyConti]

Am I the only one who doesn't use Steam Engine or the like? Of course, I don't build on Mechs so I never have a target range.

I use it when making coils I never have.. Some are memorized, others I have to get on Steam-Engine or an App on my phone lol.
Most builds that are going on a Regulated mod that im used to building(Like for my Kayfuns), I'm not worried that much...

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Am I the only one who doesn't use Steam Engine or the like? Of course, I don't build on Mechs so I never have a target range.

I use steam engine. I also like the heat flux indicator to see how many watts the coil should be ran at.

 

[Lannie]

Word!

I have a Stumpy, too, and I put a single coil in the middle like that (but not a Clapton) and somebody who should know about these things told me it would spit hot juice in my mouth through that wide open drip tip with the coil smack in the middle, so I've been askeered to try it. Is that true? I was thinking I had to get good at coils so I could put a dual coil in the Stumpy.

My guess is that the Kanthal in the stock coil could be a different diameter, either the wire itself or the ID of the coil. You can get 10 different wires of the same gauge from different manufacturers and they will have a little difference in tolerance. Even wire from the same manufacturer can have a different tolerance when dies get worn etc... Could be the actual composition of the wire might be different as well.

(Pssst... @MMW I didn't use Steam Engine FIRST. I made and installed the coil, checked the resistance, THEN looked on Steam Engine to see if I'd done something wrong. The guys here have been telling me forever not to be afraid of coils, just wrap some wire a few times around something, stick a wick in it and vape it. So I kinda did that. I'll probably consult Steam Engine for a while, until I get a good "feel" for all of this, but since I like a certain kind of coil, it shouldn't be hard to reproduce.)

The notation of coils with both legs going the same direction is an X/X wrap, in your case you have 5 loop edges on the top and 4 on the bottom, so it's a 5/4 wrap.

No biggie if the ohms don't come out exact, congrats on your build!

Oh, thank you for explaining that whole 5/4, 6/5 thing. Yes, I guess I have a 5/4 wrap then. I should have gone for one more, but as it spread, I don't think another wrap will fit. Anyway, it doesn't matter, because I let the wick sit for a while, and it's deeelishus now. It just needed to be a bit more wet. I primed it and everything, but I guess it wasn't fully saturated. I also thought I'd have to use lower watts, with the slightly higher resistance, but that's not the case.

 

[Lannie]

Well, I screwed THAT up! LOL! It's what I get for hurrying. @MMW I responded to your post INSIDE Trolldragon's quote. What the HELL? And it's right in the middle of it, too... I need a drink...

 

[Woofer]

I also thought I'd have to use lower watts, with the slightly higher resistance, but that's not the case.

Congrats Lannie, someone probably told you coils are not hard.
Don't worry if you a tiny bit off in resistance.

A VW mod keeps the wattage constant regardless of resistance. (Assuming the resistance is not to low or high to fire.)

 

[TrollDragon]

FastTech is out of the Black Stumpy's
I'm trying to Organize a FastTech Bookmark Folder(About time lol) and see what I can order!

Nice Build!

FC has them!
focalecig.com - Stumpy Style Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - Black

 

[MMW]

I use it when making coils I never have.. Some are memorized, others I have to get on Steam-Engine or an App on my phone lol.
Most builds that are going on a Regulated mod that im used to building(Like for my Kayfuns), I'm not worried that much...

I'm always on regulated mods. I usually just build for the atty chamber as far as wraps and gauge. I only use stainless so the resistance is usually low. Today, I built a dual 28g twisted, ss316, 2mm ID 7/6wrap for the Bellus. The Bellus has a tiny chamber. It came to .21 nice Luke warm, dense vape.

 

[MMW]

If I check that build in steam engine it says 11 wraps. ::shrugz::

 

[MikeyConti]

FC has them!
focalecig.com - Stumpy Style Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - Black

I know they or 3F would have it, tryna just order from one China place at a time lol This would be my first order from outside the US!!!
Now I need to go through my Bookmarks and make a folder for Focalcig and 3FVape..

Why do they have all the good stuff???

 

[MikeyConti]

I'm always on regulated mods. I usually just build for the atty chamber as far as wraps and gauge. I only use stainless so the resistance is usually low. Today, I built a dual 28g twisted, ss316, 2mm ID 7/6wrap for the Bellus. The Bellus has a tiny chamber. It came to .21 nice Luke warm, dense vape.

Nice, I hear ya! I got some SS316 coming in soon.... Wondering what I should try it on.. I mainly have Kayfuns, one of my Orchids might be a good choice? Nah, I need to get some more different style RTA's!!

 

[TrollDragon]

I have a Stumpy, too, and I put a single coil in the middle like that (but not a Clapton) and somebody who should know about these things told me it would spit hot juice in my mouth through that wide open drip tip with the coil smack in the middle, so I've been askeered to try it. Is that true? I was thinking I had to get good at coils so I could put a dual coil in the Stumpy.

It can spit hot juice if you over saturate the coil itself. I run that stapled Clapton at 55W, wicked with Rayon it will hold 35 drops from a regular 30ml PTFE bottle nozzle. I drip on the coil through the DT and leave it sit a few minutes to let the wick saturate fully. I only get spit back when there is too much raw juice sitting on top of the coil, like if you drip then vape immediately.

Spaced coils will also spit more than contact coils.

 

[MMW]

Absolutely! I use it in power mode most of the time. What gauge did you get Mikey?