Tinnitus And Vaping E Ciggs & Extreme Stomach Flu symtoms

[stevo1234]

Hi im a little frustrated by having to post as a new member and be restricted to this section (and not the section I would like to directly respond to)....a complete "........ Seriously?" moment..

Anyways...B4 I go on here...please note that I never vaped anything more than 6 mg of nicotine...so its safe to say that nicotine is not the cause of what im about to describe...

I have experienced hearing loss and tinnitus since I started vaping.

I quit smoking 6 weeks ago and started using eciggs exclusively. I smoked for 25 years and was a pack and a half a day smoker.

Week 1 - I started vaping 80VG & 20PG Supermint flavor with 6 mg of nicotine and I was ok,

Week 2 - I came down with the most extreme case of stomach flu with unbelievable and constant ........ that lasted for 7 days. Honestly I never felt so sick in my life. I was convinced it was a normal stomach virus (noro-virus or food poisoning) and continued to vape.

Week 3 I was ok,..

Week 4, bam stomach flu virus again !!! With the exact same symptoms as week 2 that lasted again for 7 days.

Week 5 I was ok...

Week 6 -I had the Stomach flu again with the same exact symptoms that lasted 7 days.

During this time (around the 3rd day of week 6) I realized what was making me sick was one of the ingredients in the E-Juice I was using. I had read some vaping war stories on line and had found a number of folks who had experienced the same stomach flu symptoms as I had for weeks at a time and they had it consistently 3 or 4 times over a 6 week period. So I switched to a 50PG 50VG mix with a non sweetened tobacco based flavor at 6 mg of nicotine thinking it could be the flavoring, or perhaps the high amount of VG I was using.

On the last few days of being sick during the 6th week (and using the "new" higher PG based E-Juice mix) I started hearing a constant buzzing in my left ear that wouldnt go away...then the hearing loss started. It was a significant amount of hearing loss that seemed to be primarily in the low frequencies and some mid frequencies. I went to an ENT a day ago and he examined my ear and found no wax buildup and said behind my eardrum looked normal. He also did some hearing tests with tuning forks and came to the conclusion that I have an inner ear problem and quickly prescribed an oral steroid. From what he explained, my problem could continue and be permanent...or not. He said that there's about a 50 percent chance of it being permanent.

SO now I wait to see if my hearing may or may not return....thrilling in a "verge of suicide" kind of way. Oh and the oral steroids are causing insomnia so im hyper aware of this wonderful experience.

TO deal with this....I have gone back to smoking real ciggs because I wanted to put things back as they were until I see if my hearing returns. And because im pretty sure non of this would be happening if I never started vaping.

Im pretty sure the cause of this is due to the electronic ciggs. If not directly, then perhaps by other symptoms caused by vaping.

My million dollar question is - did being so consistently sick from the E-Jiuce cause the onset of tinnitus? Or is it the E-Juice itself that caused it. As I said earlier, I switched to a stronger PG E-Juice mix just prior to my tinnitus happening. And there are some folks on other forums who have gotten tinnitus since vaping and believe its come from PG based E-Juice.

Im jlooking for anyone who has had a similar vaping experience.

 

[Rickajho]

I have no idea about any connection between smoking and/or starting vaping and/or quitting smoking and tinnitus. You may have been only the second person who has ever brought this up here. Coincidence happens.

Regarding your "stomach flu", if you are referring to any kind of severe lower GI problems, including but not limited to ........ - that has nothing to do with starting vaping. It can have a lot do do with quitting smoking. It is rare but there are a small percentage of people who develop severe lower GI problems when they stop smoking, including problems like Chron's disease and IBS. The reason for the connection isn't well understood but these problems start for some people when they quit smoking period, whether or not they ever touched vaping.

This has the potential to be life threatening. If you get an occasional bout of the runs that's one thing. If you quit smoking and develop severe, chronic and/or repeated ........, blood in the stool, severe cramps see your MD about it pronto.

 

[Ladiekali]

What juice have you been vaping and where or who did you buy it from?

 

[rogergendron1]

I have no idea about any connection between smoking and/or starting vaping and/or quitting smoking. You may have been only the second person who has ever brought this up here. Coincidence happens.

Regarding your "stomach flu", if you are referring to any kind of severe lower GI problems, including but not limited to ........ - that has nothing to do with starting vaping. It can have a lot do do with quitting smoking. It is rare but there are a small percentage of people who develop severe lower GI problems when they stop smoking, including problems like Chron's disease and IBS. The reason for the connection isn't well understood but these problems start for some people when they quit smoking period, whether or not they ever touched vaping.

This has the potential to be life threatening. If you get an occasional bout of the runs that's one thing. If you quit smoking and develop severe, chronic and/or repeated ........, blood in the stool, severe cramps see your MD about it pronto.

this is absoloutley true !! you should research that !!!

it is near impossable that the vg and pg are causing your simptoms as they are bolth used in thousands of products that you use every day from tooth paste to deoderant to shampoo to nearly every food flavoring and coloring ever made and put into every food you have ever eaten ! you probably eat more pg and vg every day than you VAPE !!!! thats no lie !!! pg/vg is in nearly every food flavor there is on the market and nearly every pre packaged food is flavored or colored !

heck pg is used in asthma inhalers !!! athsma sufferers inhale it every day to help them breath ! it is even use in medical injections as the liquid suspention for the medication being injected !

i am absoloutly shure the pg/vg is not your problem

what is it then.... well you may want to read thiss !!!

Anyone get crohns after they stopped smoking? - Crohn's Disease - HealingWell.com Forum

Quiting Smoking and IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) | Boredom Relief Blog and Forum | BlifalooD.com

New- Advice Please? Quit smoking 5 months ago and got IBS! - General Discussion - IBS Self Help and Support Group Forums - IBSgroup.org


i did a simple search and came up with about 50 differant people on seperate forums and blogs who all got IBS or crohn's after quiting smoking !!! none of them are vapors...



all that being said ... there are a small amount of people who are alergic to pg and it can cause various problems for them, if you are alergic to pg i suggest you stop vaping or switch to an organic vg based e juice.

 

[rogergendron1]

What juice have you been vaping and where or who did you buy it from?

this also ! if you have been buying no name e juice from a mall or coner store vendor its probably super low grade imported china garbage and may even be contaminated with bacteria !!! stop imidiatly and use a trusted suplyer !!! halo, heathers heavany vapes, velvet cloud, mount baker vapor exe... there are pleanty of usa made organic e juices out there made from 100% organic food grade VG.


what brand e juice do you have ?

 

[rogergendron1]

i can find hundreds of people on line who have suffered the same thing as you after quiting smoking

Quit smoking leads to severe digestion problems... · Oral and Dental Health discussions | Body & Health Conditions center | SteadyHealth.com

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Gastro...latulence-after-quitting-smoking/show/1121920

the point is ... dont go back to smoking !!! it will make it even worse when you try to quit again later !!!!! this is a fact !!!! you need to suck it up and deal with it by staying strong and seeing a doctor wheather you choose to vape or not !

i can garrenty you that if you try and quit again and do not vape, you will get the verry same problems !!!

 

[Giraut]

No stomach problems for me, but I did get a marked increase in my tinnitus for the first time in 15 years. I'm no stranger to tinnitus, but it was more or less constant until 2 weeks after I started vaping. I too am 100% certain my starting vaping did this.

I'm currently running a controlled experiment with different liquid formulations to try to isolate the ingredient responsible for my increase in tinnitus - assuming the vaping didn't do irreparable damage - and I *think* I've found the culprit, and my tinnitus is starting to come down a bit now. But at the rate it's going, if it ever returns to normal, it might take a month or more. In any case, it's too early to draw conclusions yet.

Vaping is a mixed blessing: on the one hand, I quit smoking for good, and my body needed that badly. On the other hand, I really could have done without more tinnitus. Fortunately, I've had it for so long that I know how to deal with it (went through the depression period too when it started 30 years ago) so it doesn't really bother me psychologically, but I'm not happy about having started to vape all the same because of this. If I had known, I wouldn't have started at all. Now that it's done though, I figure I may as well try to continue and solve the cause of my increased tinnitus, for my benefit and that of others like me.

 

[rogergendron1]

No stomach problems for me, but I did get a marked increase in my tinnitus for the first time in 15 years. I'm no stranger to tinnitus, but it was more or less constant until 2 weeks after I started vaping. I too am 100% certain my starting vaping did this.

I'm currently running a controlled experimenting with different liquid formulations to try to isolate the ingredient responsible for my increase in tinnitus - assuming the vaping didn't do irreparable damage - and I *think* I've found the culprit, and my tinnitus is starting to come down a bit now. But at the rate it's going, if it ever returns to normal, it might take a month or more. In any case, it's too early to draw conclusions yet.

Vaping is a mixed blessing: on the one hand, I quit smoking for good, and my body needed that badly. On the other hand, I really could have done without more tinnitus. Fortunately, I've had it for so long that I know how to deal with it (went through the depression period too when it started 30 years ago) so it doesn't really bother me psychologically, but I'm not happy about having started to vape all the same because of this. If I had known, I wouldn't have started at all. Now that it's done though, I figure I may as well try to continue and solve the cause of my increased tinnitus, for my benefit and that of others like me.

i am verry curious on what you think the ingrediant in e juice is thats agrivating your tinnitus....

i have been in the army for 6 years and bolth my ears ring constantly, from gun fire and a few close exposions... they have a faint riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing sound way in the background it sounds like, and its fairly high pitched, i actualy have a permanate H2 hearing profile because of it and was declined for SF training !

as far as i know my vaping has not changed the tone or volume of the ring in my ears ... but i have found myself saying WHAT a lot more than ussual latley witch now has me thinking.... last month i just had a PHA preliminary health inspection and my hearing was still at H2 and has not changed so IDK... i will have to look more into it now.


edit... i have read that too much nic can cause tinnitus ! and when vaping you absorb less nic than vs smoking, but with vaping it can cumlitively build in your system and when there is too mutch in your blood streem a side effect is rinning in the ears ! this is all the info i found so far on what the cause could be, if this is the case then one should try vaping zero nic e juice and see if the ring deminishes....


from web md
Stop smoking and stop using smokeless tobacco products. Nicotine use makes tinnitus worse by reducing blood flow to the structures of the ear.

 

[rurwin]

Last May I had an introductory suba dive. Soon after, I got a cold, after which I was deaf in my left ear for a long time. In the summer I got another cold, and was again deaf in my left ear. The nurse syringed out the ear, which made no difference. The doctor gave me antibiotic drops, which also made no difference. I was referred to an ENT specialist who could see little wrong, vacuumed out my ear and put me on steroids. The deafness went away.

In September I gave up cigarettes and started vaping. Last weekend I got a cold with similar symptoms to the previous two. Except I had minimal lung congestion and no deafness.

If I were you, I'd go to my doctor, describe my symptoms and see what he says. I don't know how it is in the US, but over here in the UK doctors are ready and willing to support you giving up smoking. If that has health concerns, I would expect them to be ready to monitor you closely. Whether that would include vaping probably depends on the doctor.

 

[stevo1234]

I started vaping with ejuice from wordup eciggs 80VG 20PG 6mg Nicotine. Apparently they use 100 percent Pharmaceutical grade PG & VG and their flavorings are 100 percent plant based.

The Second E-Juice I used, was a 50PG / 50VG 6mg Nicotine Cowboy flavor (not sweetened) by Zeus Ejuice.

Here is a link I found with a person who had the same exact symptoms (stomach flu and ........) as I had. Many people responding to it who had the exact same symptoms. This allergy GI thing isnt an isolated thing as I found many. I read this thread during my vaping sickness and decided to switch to the 2nd E-juice I mentioned (Cowboy by Zeus mentioned above) because I thought I might be allergic to either the high VG percent or the sweetener of my first Ejuice Supermint....a experiment if you will.
Here's the link http://www.ecigaddict.com/2011/10/e-juice-allergy-symptoms-stomach-cramps-......../#comment-43635

3 days after the switch to the second E-juice by Zeus (mentioned above) is when the hearing loss, Buzzing and Tinnitus happened.

Also I quit smoking for 4 years and at that time I had been smoking for 15 years and was smoking two pack a day. I never experienced any type of GI problem when I quit at that time.

 

[stevo1234]

Look im not trying to down vaping or anything....I trying to get thru this . I hate smoking real ciggs at the moment, but at this point im just trying to give my body a break before I go back to experimenting which ingredient in ejuice is doing this to me.

I have personally read a good number of folks claim ear ringing during vaping...In these cases I find the common denominator to be the PG. I have yet to read of someone using an all VG base complaining of ear ringing.

At the moment I am leaning towards trying a organic all VG based liquid with all organic flavors. I did vape semi successfully with a high VG base originally and im thinking that it might have been the sweeteners that were the cause of the GI issues...At least thats where im giong to start my experiment. Im giving the smoking real ciggs a 10 day window to see if my hearing comes back.....then I will begin my new E-Juice experiment.

Please understand your reading a post from a man who has suffered 21 days of utter flu ........ hell outta the 40 days he's started vaping. I absolutely loved vaping and am completely floored at how easy it was to switch to Eciggs exclusively. I LOVE ECIGGS....I want them to love me back.

I feel like my reward for quitting a 25 year analogue ciggs addiction is ........ and deafness..

 

[Giraut]

i am verry curious on what you think the ingrediant in e juice is thats agrivating your tinnitus....

Well, take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt. As I said, it's much too early to draw conclusions.

I think the main culprit is PG. My tinnitus has two components, a very high frequency pitch similar to the buzz of a switching power supply, and a lower frequency around 4 kHz that I normally can't hear unless I'm in a very quiet room. When I vape juice with PG, both frequencies become equally audible, and double in volume, but it takes a week or two to build up. When I quit PG (all other ingredients being the same at the same concentrations in the juice, same supplier and same volume vaped per day), within 2 or 3 days, the second frequency returns to normal. The first is still there, but subjectively I'd say it's very slowly coming down. But I might be mistaken, it's just too early to tell.

Another thing I have suspicions about is menthol. My tinnitus seemed to get worse when vaping menthol juice (the base being the same between menthol and non-menthol juices). But I'm just not too sure about that. I'm dealing with the first experiment first (removing PG only and assessing what this does in the long run) to avoid confusing the issue, then I'll run another experiment without menthol if my tinnitus hasn't returned to pre-vaping levels. I will likely do the same with nicotine as well.

Of course, whatever chemical in the juices I first vaped may have further damaged my cochlea permanently, in which case my tinnitus will never fully come down and I won't be able to conclusively decide what caused the damage. I'll only have firm results if I'm still able to vape something and my tinnitus returns to pre-vaping levels, and that hasn't happened yet. Also, it might just be my own body that's sensitive to this or that chemical: many people vape and have no side effects whatsoever. So don't draw hasty conclusions for yourself from what I'm saying.

Perhaps I should also mention that I've never vaped anything but quality juices from reputable European manufacturers. I've never touched the Chinese stuff.

 

[jjcordone]

You might want to try straight VG or straight PG - no flavoring, just NIC, maybe your allergic to one of the flavors.
Another alternative would be to try a NET (naturally extracted tobacco) juice.
The flavors bother my sinuses and throat. I've been using NET's with no issues.
Here's the site I've been buying from.
Excellent products and service- check out "Big Spirit" - closet thing to a cigarette taste I've ever gotten from an ecig
www.Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com, e-liquids for electronic cigarettes

 

[rurwin]

I would say the sweetener is looking favourite:


Sorbitol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sorbitol can be used as a non-stimulant laxative via an oral suspension or enema. As with other sugar alcohols, gastrointestinal distress may result when food products that contain sorbitol are consumed....

Sorbitol also may aggravate irritable bowel syndrome,[19] and similar gastrointestinal conditions, resulting in severe abdominal pain for those affected, even from small amounts ingested...

Ingesting large amounts of sorbitol can lead to abdominal pain, flatulence, and mild to severe ........."

I still say you should involve your doctor, but it might be worth asking an eliquid supplier for some 100% VG, unsweetened liquid.

 

[Rickajho]

Look im not trying to down vaping or anything....I trying to get thru this . I hate smoking real ciggs at the moment, but at this point im just trying to give my body a break before I go back to experimenting which ingredient in ejuice is doing this to me.

I have personally read a good number of folks claim ear ringing during vaping...In these cases I find the common denominator to be the PG. I have yet to read of someone using an all VG base complaining of ear ringing.

At the moment I am leaning towards trying a organic all VG based liquid with all organic flavors. I did vape semi successfully with a high VG base originally and im thinking that it might have been the sweeteners that were the cause of the GI issues...At least thats where im giong to start my experiment. Im giving the smoking real ciggs a 10 day window to see if my hearing comes back.....then I will begin my new E-Juice experiment.

Please understand your reading a post from a man who has suffered 21 days of utter flu ........ hell outta the 40 days he's started vaping. I absolutely loved vaping and am completely floored at how easy it was to switch to Eciggs exclusively. I LOVE ECIGGS....I want them to love me back.

I feel like my reward for quitting a 25 year analogue ciggs addiction is ........ and deafness.....

And you have to please understand that you are drawing false conclusions if you think every if/then thing going on with your body from this point out is somehow vaping related. I repeat, you DO NOT get "21 days of utter flu ........ hell outta the 40 days" from vaping! If people did it would be nothing but the topic of conversation here - and no one would be vaping at all. You INHALE liquids, you do not ingest them. Vaping related allergies show themselves as difficulty breathing, rashes, hives, acne, headaches and transient and urgent bouts of itching on the extremities. Having ........ more days than not in a 40 day period is a GI problem that needs medical input, not dicking aound with e-cig liquids playing "what if" games with your health. Even if it was vaping related it is so far removed from the realm of normal that medical opinion is required.

You seemed to have missed the other point made that just because you had no experience with something that may now be a serious GI problem the first time you quit smoking does not mean pulling the trigger a second time on quitting didn't start it. Your body is not that black and white.

Lastly, I had random bouts of tinnitus before I started vaping. I took a prescription medication. Guess what one of the potential reported side effects is? Tinnitus. I now have almost perpetual tinnitus even though I quit the drug. And no - it has nothing to do with vaping. Some side effects you get stuck with - some medications can be funny like that. We grew up in the generations that brought us the Sony Walkman leading right into MP3 players. So tinnitus is caused by vaping? I would rethink that one. And see a doctor about it too.

If you still aren't convinced you will have to wait for a few members to show up who had all or part of their large intestine removed after they quit smoking to share their experiences. What you are reporting is exceptional, and it needs to be looked into. You are barking up the wrong tree getting on a forum for medical guessing games when you need to see your Doctor.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I have tinnitus and I found that during/just after my first ciggie of the morning it increases in volume and then tapers back to the "normal" range about an hour afterwards. When i skip the ciggie and do the vape, it doesnt ramp up as loud as it does with the ciggie. There must be more to the ciggie's chemistry than just nicotine to cause the increase of loudness...

 

[Giraut]

I have tinnitus and I found that during/just after my first ciggie of the morning it increases in volume and then tapers back to the "normal" range about an hour afterwards. When i skip the ciggie and do the vape, it doesnt ramp up as loud as it does with the ciggie. There must be more to the ciggie's chemistry than just nicotine to cause the increase of loudness...

Tinnitus may come from blood pressure or nerve damage, sometimes both. My guess is that your particular form of tinnitus is the former type: the symptoms you describe are quite typical.

When you smoke, especially the first cigarette of the morning, you get a huge spike of nicotine in your blood that constricts your blood vessels and suddenly raises blood pressure. This lasts for a while until the nicotine level decreases. Vaping gives you nicotine but much more slowly, so you don't get the spike and the sudden increase in BP.

 

[Fisheeboy]

I've suffered from tinnitus for about three years now. It was due to a prescription drug for back pain. I also work at a gas station that sells the cheapy e-cigs and was talking to a customer about them. He said he had tried them but they made his tinnitus worse. I myself was pretty new to vaping and his statement was a lil scary to me because just the thought of this constant ringing getting any worse is a dreadful thought indeed! But I decided to stick with the Vaping and I have yet to notice any difference in my tinnitus. I don't have the knowledge to say whether or not vaping can affect tinnitus but I can confidently say that it has NOT affected my tinnitus. I've been vaping for just over one year now.

 

[rogergendron1]

there could be something to this tinnitus thing, as i was vaping all vg for a long wile and just swapped back to halo tribeca witch is pg based and the ringing got louder since yesterday and changed a little in pitch..... so umm yeh i am going to swapp back to HHv organic juice and see if the ring deminishes


now the runs and your GI problems could be caused by 1 of 2 things, ether you are alergic to PG or you got a rare simptom of quiting smoking !!! try stopping smoking but do not vape, if wile on the patch you get the GI prob then you know you have a rare problem that you are going to have to deal with once you quit vape or no vape !!!! if not then well you just might be alergic to PG and i would recomend you try some organic VG e juice !

 

[rogergendron1]

the more and more i look into this hearing loss tinitus thing the more i suspect its the amount of nic in our blood streems thats causeing it ! one of the MAIN side effects of too much nic is tinnitus !!!

now even though you may have goten more nic from smoking it did not stay in your blood stream as long as the nic you get from vaping ! nic from smoking is very quickly absorbed and processed, where as nic from vaping build cumulitivly in your body depending on the amount you vape over time. and every one has a differant tollerance to nic and is effected differantly at differant blood lvls.

for instance i know a guy at the vape shop that puffs 36mg juice ! he is fine with it and gets no ill effects ! if i take 2 puffs off his atty..... good night sweet prince ! i would pass out on the floor !!! one puff of 36mg and i get dizzy and RINGING in my ears !!!