Tobacco fans, help!!!

[mamabear15]

Alright guys here's my problem :

ALL MY tobacco FLAVORS TASTE LIKE MENTHOL

I've tried ry4, red blend, western, cowboy, and cubano...western was the only decent one, it wasn't menthol just kind of "dusty" tasting...

The only other one that doesn't taste like menthol is the cubano, which tastes like flippin' jalapeños!!

I've tried em low (1-2%), I've tried em high (6-9%, for me is very high), I've tried em fresh, I've tried em steeped for a week, still didn't like em so stuck em back in the cabinet & forgot about em for a month or so... Mostly solo flavors but I've also mixed like with the ry4 I tried a cov4 recipe and several variants thereof, I used a few of the others to try several twists on a chocolate tobacco, tried one with vanilla bourbon, one with tfa honey... I don't get it. Wizard is usually good on flavor descriptions, none of these sound like they should have menthol in em! Can somebody help?

I'd be happy if somebody could just point me to a tobacco flavor, stocked by wizard, that does NOT taste like menthol or random weirdness like jalapeños...pleeeeeease? lol

 

[mamabear15]

PS if anyone likes any of these flavors, pm me your address...a swap would be great, if you've got some non-menthol-y's around, but even straight giving em away is better than em sitting in a cabinet unloved lol. I just don't wanna buy more flavors yet again until I can figure out how to pick em right!! I've not had this much trouble with any other flavors but tobaccos...fun fun lol guess i oughta count my blessings re being relatively lucky this far, eh?

 

[Hoosier]

If you mixed your bases together to get your usual mg level and PG/VG ratio without any flavoring, what does that taste like when you vape it?

The testing of all bases because something funky with one component can lead to, "all my X taste like Y", is an important step so I wonder what your bases tasted like when you vaped them before you started making flavored juice.

 

[mamabear15]

Thanks Hoosier... You're right, a weird base or a funky palate or even a wonky coil can throw the world out of whack and I'm def not immune, lol... I don't think that's it tho, I do DIY all the time for myself and some friends/family. I am totally new to tobacco flavors in particular though, I had written them off a long time ago... I actually only started it because a friend asked me to try one in particular - I got lucky on that one, they specified Turkish tobacco, so I got one specifically for that mix and it worked - but, it turned out amazingly yummy, made me change my mind about not liking tobaccos myself, and also my dad now wants several more tobacco flavors lol and you can really only do so much with Turkish. Plus it's more expensive than what I normally buy. So I turned to TFA, LA etc that I normally use and love. But anyway sorry I got sidetracked... I've been playing with tobaccos for, idk, a month or two now, am on my 3rd order of bases since that started... and all my other juices I've mixed still taste normal! So I don't think I'm lucky enough for the fix to be that easy, lol. Thanks for the reply tho I love how quickly people here step up to help each other

 

[Rickb119]

Here's a good thread on tobacco flavors. Favorite tobacco flavoring discussion - Tobacco flavoring discussion only | E-Cigarette Forum Unfortunately, Wizard Labs does not carry what seems to be the favorites........Hangsen and Inawera. However, Bull City Vapor does. Bull City Vapor - Best Prices on DIY e-liquid Supplies

The TFA Double RY4 is good at 10% with 3-5% caramel and 3-5% vanilla. Not much of a tobacco taste, but good. It also needs to steep for a while, as do most tobacco flavors.

 

[dannyv45]

The above advice is really the best advice. To get a good tobacco flavor you need a good tobacco flavoring. You can't beat Hangsen for a great tobacco flavor.

Best place to buy it is

Bull City Vapor - Best Prices on DIY e-liquid Supplies

 

[mamabear15]

Thanks guys!! I will try some from them... Any recommendations as to specific flavors of either Hangsen or Inawera?
(I haven't tried the double ry4...but the TFA "ry4 Asian" was one of the ones that tasted menthol to me)

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Someone in the tobacco thread had a list, you'd have to search for it. I copied it to a notepad to research on tobacco DIY. I did't copy their name so I can't give credit to them but you can find it in the tobacco recipe thread.

Favorites
HS Desert Ship (beats all others DS) ...
HS Flue Cured, mild ,smooth
HS Golden V1, yums
HS Highway, Yums
HS Indian, Yums
FA Dark Vapirs (1%), it's strong, but good
TFA RY4 Double
TFA Tobacco Blend
VZ Island SC, has soft pineapple taste, more "tropical" than tobacco
VZ Parliament SC
VZ Dunhill, soft, cigar-ish, on the sweet side.
German Arabian, yums
German Brazilian, yums

Good, but not special (for me)
HS RY4
HS Tab Blended
INA Gold Ducat, good, on the sweet side
FA 7 Leaves, good, but on the dry side
FA Black Fire
FA Desert Ship good, but HS is better
FA Shade, mild
FA Maxx Blend
FA Oakwood, strong, (good additive in fruits for body, and woodsy taste)
FA Royal soft flavor, nice
FA RY4 soft, dry-ish
FA Tuscan Reserve, mild
FA Virginia, good, but there's probably better out there.
TFA French Pipe, smooth, soft at 1%
VZ Honey Flue Cured, very mild
VZ Yuco SCG, not sweet or strong .. but way overpriced for the flavor
VZ Desert Ship, good, but HS is better

Yuck (to me) .. in the "donate" box
INA Nutty Princess, no flavor
INA Smoke and Prunes, so-so, (no prunes)
FA Liquid Amber, requires a high %, but is a good background blender used in fruits.
FA Oba Oba, fruity, no tobacco taste
TFA Cowboy, strong, cigar-ish, only good if really diluted
TFA DK Tobacco, strong, leaves a strong after taste.
TFA M-Type, strong, taste stays with you.
TFA Smooth, no taste
TFA Tobacco Absolute, strong, grassy
FW Honey Wood, no flavor
FW Maple Rum, so-so
VZ 555SC, strong
VZ B&H, so-so, mild, "grows"
VZ Seven Stars, no flavor
German.. White Lion, just so-so

 

[mamabear15]

Thanks Nutz! You're awesome!

 

[dannyv45]

Of course don't go by what others say is good, bad or indifferent. Let your own taste decide.

 

[mamabear15]

100% Danny .. It's funny, I kept trying more flavors because I thought it was just me. Then I chanced across a post on here a week or so ago where a couple people mentioned a menthol taste in the TFA ry4 (wish I could find it again to link to) but it wasn't a recipe thread so there was no discussion of alternatives. It was a light bulb moment for me to realize I wasn't the only one who tasted it, that's what made me wonder if anyone could give some advice - I don't mind trying flavors to find my favorite, but I don't much care for wasting my money over and over either lol

 

[mamabear15]

Wow. I'd steeped before, over a month bcuz I hated em but never throw anything away... but somebody on a different site said try steeping with the lid off vs lid on... 3 days and the menthol is gone. On every single one of em. That menthol taste stuck around thru a month of steeping until I took the dang top off. Really?! Punching myself in the face right now...but admitting it in case anybody else has the same issue

 

[mamabear15]

Cubano is beyond repair, still jalapeño-y to me...but others are decent now!! Still waiting on my Hangsen order to come in...

 

[Str8vision]

Back in the days I chased synthetic tobacco flavors Hangsen was easily the best.

 

[mamabear15]

HANGSEN ORDER IS HERE!!! now to get very happy...

 

[Str8vision]

HANGSEN ORDER IS HERE!!! now to get very happy...

Enjoy! The only thing closer than Hangsen to real tobacco flavor is juice made from real tobacco which we call NET (Naturally Extracted Tobacco). Unfortunately, NET is hard on wicks/coils and is best enjoyed using RBAs.

 

[1vapeatatime]

I have been vaping for about five years, but it was late 2012, September I think, when I had my last cigarette. I say this because that coincides with the time I started DIYing.There were nowhere near the amount of flavors we have today. I remember buying TFA's, and Flavor West's offerings first. They were horrid, as was FlavorArt. Then I joined ECF. I fiddled around largely with vendor juices because my own mixes were pretty bad.
But I learned, and am still learning. Every now and then I get some Casablanca from BWB, and some Dark Horse from Heathers, but for the most part I vape(and very happily so) my own stuff.
I love Inawera, Hangsen, FlavourArt(which I eventually learned to like), MolinBerry, One on One, German Flavors, Jungle...etc.
I cannot say I vape anything tobacco-wise from Flavor West, or TPA/TFA as standalones, but I find them useful in my blends, especially FW's Fire Cured which is absolutely foul on its own.
Do I have a favorite? I don't know I play with everything.
I think the bubble I was in burst for me when I stopped 2 things.
1.- I was trying to mimic cigarettes.....not happening.
2.- I tried cloning the vendors stuff
Things started tasting better when I went my own way.
The Red you mention I add to my mellow mixes, maybe a drop per 05mls, but I don't like it by itself.
The Western and Cowboy are one and the same. TFA changed the name. This one is actually vapable as a standalone, but not the Greatest. Cubano I didn't like, And I never vape RY4s 'cause I don't like them, but none of them ever tasted like menthol to me. It may be a packaging issue.
I get my flavors from Bull City, Vapers Tek, and from ECX when I'm not ...... at them, so I don't know how your supplier packs their flavorings.
Shop the different brands. If you like tobacco then Hangsen and Inawera will knock you socks off.

 

[Dixie1954]

Another thing I will add is remember ,if you smoked, it may take some time for all your taste buds to recover I went from 2% of a tobacco flavoring that now after a year of DIYing I can only use at .1%. So consider lowering the amount of flavoring if it seems really bad to you - you may be surprised.

 

[jcglz26]

Sorry for using your post but I'm in a big trouble since I promised to my brother to mix some juices for him and since I'm a all creamy/milky/dessert fan he's not. He wants tobacco flavors and some red bull or red cola. I was like seriously? I can mix something good like strawberry cream or vanilla crust.... I couldn't change his mind haha

The good thing is that I know he's been vaping hangsen liquids so I want to order two or three of their flavors that I can mix alone without complicate recipes. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance!

 

[dannyv45]

Sorry for using your post but I'm in a big trouble since I promised to my brother to mix some juices for him and since I'm a all creamy/milky/dessert fan he's not. He wants tobacco flavors and some red bull or red cola. I was like seriously? I can mix something good like strawberry cream or vanilla crust.... I couldn't change his mind haha

The good thing is that I know he's been vaping hangsen liquids so I want to order two or three of their flavors that I can mix alone without complicate recipes. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance!

I think I can help you there. Read through the below thread. There's plenty of discussion on hangsen tobacco flavors and lots of recipes there as well. The thing is you need to know what your brother likes so present a few recipes found there to your brother and see if he's interested if so then mix away.

Favorite tobacco flavoring discussion - Tobacco flavoring discussion only | E-Cigarette Forum