I was vaping at the VA hospital last Thursday, people looked and went back to what they where doing, cause they give 0 [edited], awesome being retired.
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I think the only detterent is the amount of vapor your producing. Also the smell could be "offensive" to some. while deployed tho we havent had any issues whatsoever.
There is an AFI against it because it doesn't look "Professional"
It's the military.. there are countless contradictions.
On that note, I vape at work, but discretely for the most part. If you think no one at work cares, I promise "someone" will. What if its *-0 outside and the smoke pit is half a football field away. Some Tsgt needs his fix but doesn't want to go out there, sees you chillin in the heat vaping away. Bickering will ensue, and someone will stop it.
"If everyone can't do it, no one can do it"
It's the military.. there are countless contradictions.
On that note, I vape at work, but discretely for the most part. If you think no one at work cares, I promise "someone" will. What if its *-0 outside and the smoke pit is half a football field away. Some Tsgt needs his fix but doesn't want to go out there, sees you chillin in the heat vaping away. Bickering will ensue, and someone will stop it.
"If everyone can't do it, no one can do it"
More people are curious than anything when I vape. I do it in my own office but don't flaunt it because I don't want someone to make a reminder that they need to ban it. As far as my wife goes, Portsmouth Hospital does not allow any kind of smoking, chewing or vaping. It is the CO's discretion when it all comes down to it.
I got out of the navy a few years ago and our command banned Ecigs indoors. However we shared a hangar with another squadron and they had no such ban
I seen a lawyer vaping in a court room during a divorce hearing.
No one gave him a 2nd look.
No one gave him a 2nd look.
Lol. I deal with this all the time. My flight superintendent is cool with it. Just the flight commander and up throw a fit about it. Its stupid but hey, what can you do? Its all about "professionalism in the workplace" right?
I ran into an issue once when I was vaping in the arms room, CO told us it was a no-go and to go to the smoking tree out yonder, so we...totally...did...not do that...and ninja vaped anyway he only comes around once a week anyway haha
I get a mixed reaction talking to soldiers from a post near me "Fort OPSEC" when I ask what their Company take is on vaping.
So far I have gotten mixed answers after asking them. The following answers are from a variety of enlisted, E fuzzy-E6.
1. The 1SG vapes in his office and so do I.
2. Almost all the smokers are vaping now and we vape inside and get more work done.
3. The Co says NOGO, but we stealth vape anyway.
So far I have gotten mixed answers after asking them. The following answers are from a variety of enlisted, E fuzzy-E6.
1. The 1SG vapes in his office and so do I.
2. Almost all the smokers are vaping now and we vape inside and get more work done.
3. The Co says NOGO, but we stealth vape anyway.
It's crazy because alot of senior leadership dip inside. I think a spit bottle sitting on someones desk is way more unprofessional than vaping.
For me, it's simple. I'm active duty Air Force, there is a regulation that prohibits it anywhere except designated tobacco use areas. End of story. Not trying to be the goody two-shoes here, but one of the ways the military sets itself apart as a sect of society is adherence to regulations, and discipline that goes beyond personal desires and feelings. If you're willing to compromise those things, even with best intentions...
I can't speak to other branches, but if you're in the Air Force, this has been decided and published...it's a no go. Until it changes, everybody that does it "because no one cares" or "my boss said it was OK" leaves me shaking my head.
I can't speak to other branches, but if you're in the Air Force, this has been decided and published...it's a no go. Until it changes, everybody that does it "because no one cares" or "my boss said it was OK" leaves me shaking my head.
I'm active duty AF myself about to be out the door (gettin out on my Date of Separation). The AFI is there. No doubt or question about it. But when you think about it, many people don't follow the regs to the T. And this is commanders and higher leadership. It's the way of the land. Regulations wont ever be followed 100%. Hell even in deployments, AFIs are broken on a constant basis. Im usually around commanders and upper leadership and the only thing they dont do is smoke real cigs indoors. But as far as vaping and chewing goes, it all goes out the window. Part of the reason why I want to get out. Theres too many double standards here and others need to police themselves. Call it what you want but thats my view on it. Don't check me if you're not in line yourself.
What reg is this. I don't Vape inside but I would just like to know.
When it comes to deployments a lot of things go out the window. A lot of our regs were not written for a deployed environment and that is just the way it is. To many people in the service don't realize that. The majority of our regs are written at peace time and don't carry well into a war zone.
There's actually an old thread on it.
USAF Air Force Instruction (AFI) 40-102 "TOBACCO USE IN THE AIR FORCE" 26 MARCH 2012
USAF Air Force Instruction (AFI) 40-102 "TOBACCO USE IN THE AIR FORCE" 26 MARCH 2012
This is straight out of AFI 1-1 Chap. 1 Para 1.9:
This basically doesn't make deployments the exception. Even in the beginning of almost every AFI, it states:
Not arguing but fact is fact. I've dealt with people before who thought they were above the regs and i've had to shoot them down quick fast.
I was only in for 10 years, within those ten years I dipped anywhere I could and my senior leaders were right there with me doing it. As long as we stayed clean about it by not leaving spit bottles laying about, everything was ok. Vaping/ dipping/ smoking where your not allowed is one of those little perks that we allow ourselves to remind us that we are not just ROBOTS. Those units that enforce every little Regulation are the worst, cause those are the Blue Falcons that will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat.
If you are a soldier that can honestly say you have never ever broken any reg, including "ducking the flag at COB" then you deserve a metal.
If you are a soldier that can honestly say you have never ever broken any reg, including "ducking the flag at COB" then you deserve a metal.
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