Vaping in a "You can't smoke here" world.

[wv2win]

Have you ever consider that Maybe ECF memberss do Not Vocally Support CASAA because they are Turned Off by some "Members" of CASAA who Constantly Recite the Litany " vaping and smoking are basically the same thing and should be viewed that way" just because their Views and not 100% Aligned with the Views of an Individual?

An Individual who just happens to be a Member of CASAA.

Laughable and just a "straw man" arguement. In a thread a couple of weeks ago, I brought up the need for us all to support CASAA and why and 4 newer members appreciated that I explained CASAA and stated that they had joined. The much more likely reason is that there are those who are willing to help, even if only in a small way, and there are those who just don't want to be bothered and like the idea that someone else will do the work and just keep quiet. That's been part of human nature since the beginning.

 

[rondasherrill]

WOW! You vaped during a job interview! OMG!!! :/

I vape openly without shame. If you hide it, no one is any the wiser. At least in my area, when people see me vaping, it's almost always their first real world encounter with a vaper, aside from that one friend they had who used a crappy gas station e-cig for 1 day. People like that need positive people to explain the differences and benefits of vaping over smoking.

If I am asked to refrain from it, I explain to them what it is and how it's harmless. If they still ask that I refrain from it, I am respectful of their decision and I stop. I have noticed that more often than not, the reason they ask you to stop because it annoys smokers because they can't just smoke anywhere, or worse encourages smokers to try to light up, just because they see you exhaling something that looks like smoke...

Besides, I was vaping strawberry colada. Who can be mad when you make their room smell like strawberry colada?

 

[zoiDman]

First, I really don't see the "clarification". Based on your comments, one could surmise (possibly incorrectly) that because you don't agree with all the views of CASAA and just some of them, that you supposidly support them monetarily but won't advocate to others to join and support them. Considering CASAA's biggest need is more supporting members, there appears to be a significant dichotomy in your position.

And the one thing I agree with in your long statement, is that times are difficult economically. And if one has to choose what they can monitarily support and what they can't, I would rather support an organization that is fighting actively to keep vaping alive. Not that I don't appreciate what ECF provides. But I believe they also get revenue from business sponsors unlike CASAA.

No much of a Dichotomy to me.

If a person wants to send CASAA a Contribution, Great. If they Don't, That's Fine Also. Same with the ECF. If you can Help the ECF by Making a Donation, Fantastic. But if you Can't, or Do Not Want to, That's OK also.

I don't feel any Need to get up on a Soap Box and Preach the Merits of CASAA, either Good Or Bad. Does this mean I can Not Agree with Some of what CASAA Does?

I think sometimes what is Blurred is the Opinions of an Organization verses the Opinions of an Organizations Members.

I think you will agree, we do Not See Eye to Eye on Many Issues. But does that Mean that I, or the Others who do Not See Eye to Eye with You, can Not Like some of what CASAA Does? Even if I agreed with Everything you say here on the ECF, does that mean that I have to Agree with Everything that CASAA Say or Does just because You Do?

You seem to be somewhat Intolerant of people who do Not Share your Views. Hey, That’s Fine. Some of the Best/Funniest threads I ever Read were the Classic Surfmonkey vs Bradsmith showdowns. I'm pretty sure some even get a Kick out of Reading the Two of Us go Back and Forth.

I think I should get a Point for when you said that there is the Possibility that Your Presumptions about my Comments were wrong. I'll take the point.

The Score is now:

wv2win - 8,467
zoiDman - 8,468

It's your Serve.

LOL

 

[zoiDman]

Laughable and just a "straw man" arguement. In a thread a couple of weeks ago, I brought up the need for us all to support CASAA and why and 4 newer members appreciated that I explained CASAA and stated that they had joined. The much more likely reason is that there are those who are willing to help, even if only in a small way, and there are those who just don't want to be bothered and like the idea that someone else will do the work and just keep quite. That's been part of human nature since the beginning.

This is Going to Blow Your Mind.

I ........ ( Wait for It !) ................... Agree with you.

I Also would Agree with it if you had Replaced "CASAA" with "ECF" in that Post.

Score:

wv2win: 8,468
zoiDman: 8,468

Its Match Point !

Make it a Good One because I'm not going to Reply anymore After you Reply.

 

[meli.]

WOW! You vaped during a job interview! OMG!!! :/

Welcome to ECF MikeBeam
Fantastic thread you've chosen to start your ECF adventure
Hang around, soon the boxing gloves may just come off and we'll have to hand 2 hand combat

 

[meli.]

Last edited by zoiDman; Today at 08:42 PM. Reason: Double Checked the Score.

 

[rondasherrill]

I'm pretty sure some even get a Kick out of Reading the Two of Us go Back and Forth.

Not really... Regardless of people's thoughts about CASAA, we all basically want the same thing. To be allowed to vape, without resorting to some black market to do so. This sort of squabbling amongst ourselves is quite counterproductive, and is perceived by outside readers that we don't have a firm grasp or agreement on the goals we wish to achieve.

The Score is now:

wv2win - 8,467
zoiDman - 8,468

It's your Serve.

LOL

This part just seems petty and like you are egging him on, and it's not just you. You both have been doing it. I hope we can get a useful thread back on track soon.

Im sure there are plenty of vapers out there that are appalled by my story of vaping during a job interview, and that is okay. Some people like myself choose to openly exercise our right to do so, while others prefer to avoid the barrage of questions being fired at them. That's okay too. There are times when I just want to tell people "shut the **** up and let me vape in peace!" That's right... I censored myself, take that forum software.

Everyone has their own way, and we should all be respectful. You know, so long as no one has a mod blow up in their face and puts it on the media, or throws a hissy fit like a 12 year old because they are asked not to vape on a plane...

 

[Teedy333]

My standard line: "It's not smoke, it's vapor. There's nothing in it that isn't also in food and medicine except nicotine, which carries no more health risks than coffee and has more benefits."

Then, if it's a private residence or business or anywhere smoking would be prohibited: "If you'd still like me to go somewhere else or stop, I'll be happy to. But I want you to know that nothing you know about smoking applies to what I'm doing."

If they tell me where a smoking area is: "No thanks. I don't want to expose myself to second hand smoke. Unlike what they do, what I do doesn't harm anyone and has no effect on anynoe else."

That usually works, but if they ask for details, I have citations stored in my phone and give them a reading list. So far, no one's cared enough to even take the reading list. If the conversation gets that far without them getting huffy, I've already won. If they end it by not caring what I have to say, having a team of scientists with conference presentations ready to defend me wouldn't have changed their outlook.

I like this too!

 

[Ericscott_68]

Here has been my experience with e-cigs... If you treat it like a cigarette, people will react in kind. As in, if you step outside and be all careful about where you use it, people will assume it's something they should take steps to be careful around it/avoid it.

I vape mine whenever and wherever. I follow the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" thing. HOWEVER, remember to be courteous. If, after explaining what it is, they don't want it used in their establishment, then it's better that you don't use it. The fact is vaping is a new thing for most, and it is on the fence of being banned. The last thing vapers need is a bunch of people acting self righteous, and pissing off the wrong people.

I also just don,t vape in theaters because of the thick clouds of vaper that would block the view. I avoid young children because they don,t ask questions they just think your smoking. But when I have my granddaughter with me she,s the first to tell people it,s not smoking it,s vaping. Other than that I just vape when I feel like it until into somebody so ignorant no amount of explanation and information can sway their delusion.

 

[kiwivap]

When I first started vaping I was so enthusiastic about it I told everyone, and vaped at work. That was fine for 3 months and then a smoker took exception. Now I have to go outside to vape, but... was also able to get some initiatives in place to raise awareness about smoking and quitting. There were also some changes about the way some smokers were taking advantage at work (I won't go into details). So there were some positives from it. The overwhelming majority of people I work with are supportive and don't have a problem with it. I do vape in public but not if I think it's going to cause a hassle. I can wait a while to vape if I have to. I found reading the experiences of people on the forum very helpful. I try to strike a balance - I don't want to be viewed like a smoker, which doesn't promote vaping, but I don't want any more aggravation because I vape somewhere public either. Sometimes it's a fine line.

 

[zoiDman]

Not really... Regardless of people's thoughts about CASAA, we all basically want the same thing. To be allowed to vape, without resorting to some black market to do so. This sort of squabbling amongst ourselves is quite counterproductive, and is perceived by outside readers that we don't have a firm grasp or agreement on the goals we wish to achieve.

...

But isn't that Really what All these Vaping Policy threads are all about? That we as Vaper's Don't Agree 100% with each other on All Things. Sure, we all want to be able to buy e-Cigarettes and e-Liquids that are Untaxed and Unregulated (which is going away soon).

But what about Vaping inside a Movie Theater? At the Work Place? In a Hospital? In a Church? In your Apartment? The list goes on and on. And there is No 100% View that fits all Situations.

If everyone is Respectful and just stops when someone asks them, no problem. But if Someone doesn't want to stop. Or feels there is no Legal Basis to make them stop? Can you fire someone for Vaping? Can you kick them out of School for Vaping? Can you give them a Ticket or put them in Jail?

I think there are still Many Unanswered Questions regarding Vaping. And when there are questions, there are going to be Debates/Arguments.

BTW - This thing with wv2win and myself has been going on for a LONG TIME. He Takes Shots at Me - I take Shots at Him. And Visa Versa. I happen to Like wv2win. I just don't agree with Many of his Views. But the ECF would be a VERY Boring place if Everyone Agreed.

 

[mikebeam]

I vape openly without shame. If you hide it, no one is any the wiser. At least in my area, when people see me vaping, it's almost always their first real world encounter with a vaper, aside from that one friend they had who used a crappy gas station e-cig for 1 day. People like that need positive people to explain the differences and benefits of vaping over smoking.

If I am asked to refrain from it, I explain to them what it is and how it's harmless. If they still ask that I refrain from it, I am respectful of their decision and I stop. I have noticed that more often than not, the reason they ask you to stop because it annoys smokers because they can't just smoke anywhere, or worse encourages smokers to try to light up, just because they see you exhaling something that looks like smoke...

Besides, I was vaping strawberry colada. Who can be mad when you make their room smell like strawberry colada?

I vap just about anywhere, and I don't think we should ever be restricted anywhere. That line just caught me as funny. If I needed a job I don't know that I could just whip mine out and take a draw in an interview. LOL

 

[mikebeam]

I must say I am in the tank. I am loving my ego type b. I fill it up and it last all day. No more fill ups every couple of hours, and this thing has not leaked on me yet. Right after I ordered it someone started talking about the volcano system, but mine was already shipped. So far so good this thing is awesome!

 

[zoiDman]

I must say I am in the tank. I am loving my ego type b. I fill it up and it last all day. No more fill ups every couple of hours, and this thing has not leaked on me yet. Right after I ordered it someone started talking about the volcano system, but mine was already shipped. So far so good this thing is awesome!

Hey mike...

Have you seen this thread?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../317227-anyone-else-still-around-08-09-a.html

 

[wv2win]

No much of a Dichotomy to me.

If a person wants to send CASAA a Contribution, Great. If they Don't, That's Fine Also. Same with the ECF. If you can Help the ECF by Making a Donation, Fantastic. But if you Can't, or Do Not Want to, That's OK also.

I don't feel any Need to get up on a Soap Box and Preach the Merits of CASAA, either Good Or Bad. Does this mean I can Not Agree with Some of what CASAA Does?

I think sometimes what is Blurred is the Opinions of an Organization verses the Opinions of an Organizations Members.

I think you will agree, we do Not See Eye to Eye on Many Issues. But does that Mean that I, or the Others who do Not See Eye to Eye with You, can Not Like some of what CASAA Does? Even if I agreed with Everything you say here on the ECF, does that mean that I have to Agree with Everything that CASAA Say or Does just because You Do?

You seem to be somewhat Intolerant of people who do Not Share your Views. Hey, That’s Fine. Some of the Best/Funniest threads I ever Read were the Classic Surfmonkey vs Bradsmith showdowns. I'm pretty sure some even get a Kick out of Reading the Two of Us go Back and Forth.

I think I should get a Point for when you said that there is the Possibility that Your Presumptions about my Comments were wrong. I'll take the point.

The Score is now:

wv2win - 8,467
zoiDman - 8,468

It's your Serve.

LOL

Disagreeing with your opinion that vaping should be viewed and practiced as being the same as smoking is not intolerent. If that were the case, then disagreeing with the beliefs and actions of the National Socialist German Workers Party in the 1940's would be "intolerent". Your position, IMO, is detrimental to vaping being accepted as a true harm reduction option. You have a perfect right to your opinion but it's not intolerent to see no merit in that opinion.

And you continue to confuse the point being made about supporting CASAA. Of course everyone should do whatever they feel is in their best interest. No one is saying otherwise. The point that you always either ignore or miss, is that if we all just keep quiet as you prefer, then the strong interests who want vaping banned will easily win the day. And that is not intolerent, it's just not agreeing with your position on vaping. But I respect your right to have that opinion.

 

[mikebeam]

Hey mike...

Have you seen this thread?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../317227-anyone-else-still-around-08-09-a.html

It says I don't have permissions to view that thread?

 

[mikebeam]

Hey mike...

Have you seen this thread?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../317227-anyone-else-still-around-08-09-a.html

Maybe I need 5 post? Well here is #5

Edit: Nope that didn't work?

 

[alexvander123]

One day last semester i was walking up to my schools doors vaping my ego. i heard a security guard yell, "hey no smoking sir!" i turned around and just held it up, he shouted "electronic?" i nodded and he let me go on my way. I go to Fox Valley Tech, and they all seem pretty informed. My welding teacher even lets me vape in my welding booth. He asked why i would want to do that when i asked him if it would be ok. I told him if i could in my booth i would be less inclined to take a break when i got stressed out over a weld.

He was completely ok with it and was interested, he just gave me a hard time telling me "none of that funny tobacco in there now ya hear boy!"

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe I need 5 post? Well here is #5

Edit: Nope that didn't work?

Perhaps there is a Glitch in the ECF?

It's sorta Rare to see a Member from 2009 that Only has 6 Posts. And they were all made Today.

Maybe you can get few more post and give it a Little more time then Try Again?

 

[classwife]

That thread is in the Veteran's Forum...regardless of the 2009 join date...70 posts are also needed to become an ECF Veteran