just don't vape where you can't smoke...problem solved.
nuff said =)
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I think as far as vaping in Wal-mart goes it depends on local laws and the store manager's ignorance. I work for one and my store manager pretty much knows about the vaping. He's anti-smoking. On the other hand though, he doesn't snub vaping. When I walk through the doors I'll vape, but I'll stealth vape or try not to create a lot of vapor. I dont vape on the clock or on the sales floor in my work clothes.
Vaping is NOT smoking. Chewing gum is NOT smoking. Tap dancing is NOT smoking, and saying the word "ship" is not the same thing as saying the word ".....", even though a person half-listening might mistake one for the other.
The idea of automatically assuming that vaping is governed by the same rules as smoking is ridiculous imho. They are not at all the same thing. One is an open flame, burning plant materials and putting irritants and carcinogens into the air, and the other does none of these things.
I understand that some might wish to restrict vaping for any number of reasons. For example, someone might observe me vaping (using a 140mm long PURPLE or GREEN device) and erroneously assume that I am smoking; and decide to light a cigarette. Management of an establishment might believe their patrons are so ungodly stupid that my vaping might fool them into believing all the rules against smoking indoors in public had been miraculously repealed. Rather than have to deal with explaining the difference to an i-d-10-t, they would want me not to vape.
Others might wish to restrict it simply because it is a selfish pleasure in which they cannot share. Some people simply HATE to see anyone else enjoying themselves. Really.
Others might be puritans who gain a certain glee from causing smokers to suffer by going long periods of time without smoking; and they would be enraged by someone vaping to skirt their little system. (Because for them, it is not about health -- it is about punishing sinners.)
There could be lots of reasons.
But unless there is a SPECIFIC RULE that quite specifically addresses vaping; it makes no sense for me to assume that rules pertaining to smoking, driving or any other unrelated activity apply.
Many use vaping as an off-label stop-smoking tool; but just as many use it as a means of using nicotine in places where smoking is prohibited (such as the lavatories of airplanes). I have used it to cut down substantially on smoking, but also to be able to use nicotine in places where smoking is not allowed.
Therefore I have quite specifically vaped in bars and restaurants. I do not assume it is prohibited unless there is a sign specifically disallowing the practice.
I've never vaped in Walmart; but I don't think I've ever been there for longer than a few minutes either.
The idea of automatically assuming that vaping is governed by the same rules as smoking is ridiculous imho. They are not at all the same thing. One is an open flame, burning plant materials and putting irritants and carcinogens into the air, and the other does none of these things.
I understand that some might wish to restrict vaping for any number of reasons. For example, someone might observe me vaping (using a 140mm long PURPLE or GREEN device) and erroneously assume that I am smoking; and decide to light a cigarette. Management of an establishment might believe their patrons are so ungodly stupid that my vaping might fool them into believing all the rules against smoking indoors in public had been miraculously repealed. Rather than have to deal with explaining the difference to an i-d-10-t, they would want me not to vape.
Others might wish to restrict it simply because it is a selfish pleasure in which they cannot share. Some people simply HATE to see anyone else enjoying themselves. Really.
Others might be puritans who gain a certain glee from causing smokers to suffer by going long periods of time without smoking; and they would be enraged by someone vaping to skirt their little system. (Because for them, it is not about health -- it is about punishing sinners.)
There could be lots of reasons.
But unless there is a SPECIFIC RULE that quite specifically addresses vaping; it makes no sense for me to assume that rules pertaining to smoking, driving or any other unrelated activity apply.
Many use vaping as an off-label stop-smoking tool; but just as many use it as a means of using nicotine in places where smoking is prohibited (such as the lavatories of airplanes). I have used it to cut down substantially on smoking, but also to be able to use nicotine in places where smoking is not allowed.
Therefore I have quite specifically vaped in bars and restaurants. I do not assume it is prohibited unless there is a sign specifically disallowing the practice.
I've never vaped in Walmart; but I don't think I've ever been there for longer than a few minutes either.
It's a fairly new "trend" and people tend to be wary of new life altering devices. Some people just don't really know. Unless there is information that is put out there that is unavoidable and put out to the masses, some people will never know until the situation of vaping arises. I have an almost prepared spiel on vaping to the ignorant. Right now, I'm still hanging out in the smoking area, but when it gets cold, I'm definitely going to move indoors. I think before I do that, I'll be putting informational flyers in the break room.
First of all, I'd like to say Hello all. I'm a new member to toe forums as you can undoubtedly tell. As a new vaper, I find it hard to find places that will allow vaping. I typically shop at electrovapors.com and just recently I received a card that explains vaping and even has a disclaimer of sorts that you can show people. I for one don't really want to go through the drama of an argument with someone about it but as a vaper (entitled thoughts aside), I'd like to be able to sit down in a pub and watch a band play like the good ol' days when you could still smoke in them. How would anyone suggest looking for vape friendly establishments? Fredericton NB isn't exactly a big city but big enough where there should be at least one place. Hell, I'd open up my own vape store and cafe if I had the coin.
Since its my belief that the majority of people are stubborn as soon as then see a plume of vapor they immediately think smoke and pretty much nothing you can say will sway them. I just do my best to be inconspicuous but if someone says something i will try to explain and if they dont understand i just put it away. I might be wrong about this part but i think there is still some nicotine in the vapor you exhale and people have the right to not want that around them.
I believe that we shouldn't be afraid to vape in public if there aren't any rules banning it. I vape zero nic and I predict that even zero nic will be banned alongside tobacco products. That would be ludicrous. I can see it happening though - not being allowed to exhale vegetable glycerine in public.
The world is catered to idiots, unfortunately. Instead of punishing the rule breakers the system "ruins it for everybody". It happens in my workplace, I see it in schools, within the government, and even in social situations. It really, really sucks. Idiocracy, anybody?
The world is catered to idiots, unfortunately. Instead of punishing the rule breakers the system "ruins it for everybody". It happens in my workplace, I see it in schools, within the government, and even in social situations. It really, really sucks. Idiocracy, anybody?
Well, that kind of blows the entire theory that what we are doing is safe. IMHO, part of the beauty of Vaping is that you are able to Vape where you can't smoke.....it's water vapor. right?
I'm usually a little discreet because I don't want attention, so it doesn't happen often - but when someone does notice and stare or comment if I'm in a good mood and have time I'll usually show them my rig - people are usually interested.
When I was younger, I was so concerned about not making a spectacle, or rocking the boat in any way. As I've gained years and the grey hair to prove it, what people think of me matters less and less. I've had dozens of people make comments when they see me vaping in public...most are just interested in learning what it is. However, others...the only thing they were concerned with was trying to belittle or make me feel bad. Was I rude to those people? Hell yes, I was. Rude to me receives rudeness right back. You reap what you sow! I felt no remorse about being mean those people who wanted nothing more than to try to dictate my behavior.
Way to crumble under the weight of self-image and social/governmental/corporate biases. What are you overweight folk out there gonna do when you're ostracized and taxed for being so (check out NY and Kalif; that's not counting medical insurance companies)?
Lil' story fer ya'll:
I can remember when Florida would ticket motorcyclists for not wearing helmets. But yet during that same period, when some large motorcycle clubs gathered and traversed the Sunshine Skyway without helmets, the state and local counties had the FHP, Pinellas and Manatee County sheriff deputies escort the them over the bridge... not one helmet was worn by the club members and not one citation was issued! Why... think about it!
How did they get away such a grievous, in your face and illegal action? Massive civil disobedience! Forward to today, no Florida MC helmet laws.
BTW, do I wear a helmet when riding an MC? Yepper, but by my choice!
So continue to duck into the restrooms, fitting rooms or step outside 15 feet/miles/counties/states to take a PV break. You're missing out on a terrific opportunity to educate the clueless, even if it doesn't do any good. If you do nothing, then don't come on here b*tchin' about your 'no vape here' experience.
On the other hand, when 'challenged', be polite, respectfully ask for permission, explain your stand and comply with the resultant decision.
Day-um, guess I'm really gettin' crotchety in my advanced years. But I'm VERY tired of having someone else making my decisions. Whatever happened to the days when the air was clean and sex was dirty?
Wow!!!! I am right there with you!!! Laws are going into effect right now as we vape, to OUTLAW E-Cigs!!!! If vaping is 'safe' as we all think that it is....are you not going to stand up for something else enjoyable that is trying to be taken away from you?
These post's have just literally 'blown' me away today!!
I for one currently vape nicotine juice at the moment as it seems to be a pain reliever/aid in of itself of sorts. For what I've been told, around others, it's not actually subjecting them to anything besides the vapor. The nicotine is ingested into one's own body, the vapor himself/herself, leaving others around them with the sight of the exchange (the vaper itself) which causes such a fuss. Some juices I vape have a smell but I've never heard anyone in my limited social circle complain but rather compliment, wondering who has coffee or are eating strawberries, etc.
I too believe we should not be afraid to vape in public though within Canada, all "nicotine" products concerning e-cigs do have a slight ban on them but the devices themselves; PV's, e-cigs, whatever you want to call them are free to use in public (outside in the public eye) without scrutiny. Again, it's just the "indoor smoking ban" that gets us here to which I was wondering if there might be any local places that might be "Vape Friendly", so to speak.
Concerning the 0% nic, I use to vape that as well and again, I can too see that coming under ban in the future if nothing is done about what's going on now. Indeed, a sad day would come when you couldn't vape 0% nic, (essential VG or PG with flavoring) because of stupidity and ignorance.
Too much of a rant for a new guy? Sorry guys and gals. hehe
I too believe we should not be afraid to vape in public though within Canada, all "nicotine" products concerning e-cigs do have a slight ban on them but the devices themselves; PV's, e-cigs, whatever you want to call them are free to use in public (outside in the public eye) without scrutiny. Again, it's just the "indoor smoking ban" that gets us here to which I was wondering if there might be any local places that might be "Vape Friendly", so to speak.
Concerning the 0% nic, I use to vape that as well and again, I can too see that coming under ban in the future if nothing is done about what's going on now. Indeed, a sad day would come when you couldn't vape 0% nic, (essential VG or PG with flavoring) because of stupidity and ignorance.
Too much of a rant for a new guy? Sorry guys and gals. hehe
I finally get it. Its cooties! Were giving everyone we come in contact with cooties.
Everyone that goes out in public takes a certain amount of risk as to who and what they come in contact with. I wholeheartedly agree that we all have a responsibility to be courteous and not to harm others with our conduct. That is the bottom line in this discussion.
I did a great deal of research before I ever tried my first PV and came to the conclusion that what I would be inhaling was thousands of times cleaner and safer than tobacco smoke. What I would be exhaling was thousands of times cleaner than that because it has been filtered through my system. I also found that since PG is a disinfectant it could further reduce the concentration of bacteria in my system.
Health New Zealand:
Inhaled nicotine in cigarette smoke is over 98% absorbed and so the
exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains almost no nicotine; and no CO. Lacking any active ingredient or any gaseous products of combustion, the PG mist or smoke is not harmful to bystanders."
My wife has never smoked so I always went outside to smoke. After reading a few studies like the one above I started using my PV in our home. My wife is a homemaker and I work from home so she has been exposed to my vapor in a fairly confined space 24/7/365. After a year of my vapor use she mentioned that she could smell the flavor I was using. I was surprised by this and decided that it might be a good idea for us to take a nicotine test. I showed levels of nicotine of a smoker. She had absolutely zero levels. While this was not a strict, clinical test it still speaks volumes to me because her exposure is thousands of times greater than anyone else I might come in contact with.
How many square feet are in a Walmart store? Have you ever considered what you are exposed to in one of those places? Ill go out on a limb here and say that the store poses a much greater risk to your health than a few steamers have on anyone else.
Everyone that goes out in public takes a certain amount of risk as to who and what they come in contact with. I wholeheartedly agree that we all have a responsibility to be courteous and not to harm others with our conduct. That is the bottom line in this discussion.
I did a great deal of research before I ever tried my first PV and came to the conclusion that what I would be inhaling was thousands of times cleaner and safer than tobacco smoke. What I would be exhaling was thousands of times cleaner than that because it has been filtered through my system. I also found that since PG is a disinfectant it could further reduce the concentration of bacteria in my system.
Health New Zealand:
Inhaled nicotine in cigarette smoke is over 98% absorbed and so the
exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains almost no nicotine; and no CO. Lacking any active ingredient or any gaseous products of combustion, the PG mist or smoke is not harmful to bystanders."
My wife has never smoked so I always went outside to smoke. After reading a few studies like the one above I started using my PV in our home. My wife is a homemaker and I work from home so she has been exposed to my vapor in a fairly confined space 24/7/365. After a year of my vapor use she mentioned that she could smell the flavor I was using. I was surprised by this and decided that it might be a good idea for us to take a nicotine test. I showed levels of nicotine of a smoker. She had absolutely zero levels. While this was not a strict, clinical test it still speaks volumes to me because her exposure is thousands of times greater than anyone else I might come in contact with.
How many square feet are in a Walmart store? Have you ever considered what you are exposed to in one of those places? Ill go out on a limb here and say that the store poses a much greater risk to your health than a few steamers have on anyone else.
i always vape in public.. i have had curious onlookers stare, gawk and point at meh. than i have had those curious, polite and intelligent enough to approach meh ask meh what that was i was putting in meh mouth as they could easily tell it wasnt a cigarette (all meh pv's are differently colored from cigarettes and the "cherries" are purple, blue, white etc) and thats when i introduce them to the wonderful world of vaping and how it might benefit any fellow smokers out there from quitting. i even refer them to this forum so they can read up on more information.
i have yet to get any negative remarks.. but when people are giving meh disapproving looks i just smile at them and make sure to not be vaping so close where they would be inhaling meh vapor.its a matter of respect while still invoking meh right to be happie and analog free... we as vapors are not doing anything illegal and there is no harm in the vapor so why act like we are doing something wrong by sneak vaping..makes no sense to meh at all... its common sense that if you act guilty people will think you are. i also carry an information card that i received with meh first vaping kit to show people just in case i get a more negative remark and they need some "proof" the card has the question
"what is an electionic cigarette?"
(aka personal vaporizor)
-replacement for tobacco cigarettes
-completely smoke free nothing is burned
-delivers optional vaporized nicotine
-mist from propylene glycol (fog machines)
-no tar, no carbon monoxide, no particles
-no air pollution
-no harm found in mist
http://ecigssavelives.ifo
on the other side it has information about the casaa and has 3 links (including this forums) to where people can learn more about vp's
i have had those who i educate congratulate meh on quitting analogs and compliment meh on how yummie meh mist smells... than i get excited and tell them about all the flavors stores have and they let meh know that they will be passing the information along to others who are trying to quit but cannot... one of the people i informed was meh WIC counselor and she was very excited because she thinks this can help some of her pregnant clients to quit. i am proud to know that everywhere i vape i could change someones life by educating them... i believe that ignorance is never bliss.
i have yet to get any negative remarks.. but when people are giving meh disapproving looks i just smile at them and make sure to not be vaping so close where they would be inhaling meh vapor.its a matter of respect while still invoking meh right to be happie and analog free... we as vapors are not doing anything illegal and there is no harm in the vapor so why act like we are doing something wrong by sneak vaping..makes no sense to meh at all... its common sense that if you act guilty people will think you are.
i also carry an information card that i received with meh first vaping kit to show people just in case i get a more negative remark and they need some "proof" the card has the question"what is an electionic cigarette?"
(aka personal vaporizor)
-replacement for tobacco cigarettes
-completely smoke free nothing is burned
-delivers optional vaporized nicotine
-mist from propylene glycol (fog machines)
-no tar, no carbon monoxide, no particles
-no air pollution
-no harm found in mist
http://ecigssavelives.ifo
on the other side it has information about the casaa and has 3 links (including this forums) to where people can learn more about vp's
i have had those who i educate congratulate meh on quitting analogs and compliment meh on how yummie meh mist smells... than i get excited and tell them about all the flavors stores have and they let meh know that they will be passing the information along to others who are trying to quit but cannot... one of the people i informed was meh WIC counselor and she was very excited because she thinks this can help some of her pregnant clients to quit. i am proud to know that everywhere i vape i could change someones life by educating them... i believe that ignorance is never bliss.
Just tell them that it's your personal Vaporizer and most of the time they will usually tell you they are sorry and let you move on!
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