What does this mean as far as ordering? (Minnesota Ecig Taxes)

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  1. Tonythefiddler

    Tonythefiddler Senior Member

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    It says you must pay a 95 percent tax on all "tobacco products" including e liquids if you get over 50 a month. But local b&ms are selling them for the same price as they are online, etc. Do I have to pay this or something? Seems ridiculous.
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  2. dragonpuff

    dragonpuff Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Perhaps they have not begun enforcing it yet? When did they decide that e-cigarettes met the definition of a tobacco product? There may be a 90 day or so lag time for everyone to fall in line.

    It looks like your vendor will be primarily responsible for the taxes, but if your vendor does not pay (because they are out of state or not compliant with the law), then you are responsible. Whether you will actually have to pay the taxes depends on how they choose to enforce it.

    In my state we are supposed to report all out-of-state purchases on our tax returns (ha ha!). However, internet tobacco product sales in my state are simply banned, so I have no idea how another state would enforce that (although in my state e-cigs are not considered tobacco products, yet...).

    You might wanna take a trip to you local B&M and ask them about it, they may have a more clear answer for you.
     
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    northhar Super Member ECF Veteran

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    After reading the link.. may I suggest an option which seems legal.. (not a lawyer and my dealing with tax authorities in my country is they always work so they win.)
    Buy only 0 nic ejuice it is nontaxable.. order some unflavored nic 36mg or greater and add it to the juice.. even if you pay tax on the unflavored you would be ahead.
     
  4. mac63

    mac63 ECF Guru Verified Member

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    Would have to also get some flavor extracts to bring the mix back up to full taste.
     
  5. Tonythefiddler

    Tonythefiddler Senior Member

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    I was thinking about doing that but yeah, most of the juices I get are really complex and/or use NETs. Probably going to just keep it under the 50 a month and get the rest from my b&m they just got some awesome brands for retail price :)
     
  6. skoony

    skoony Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    as i read it they are talking ciga-likes here. pre-filled cartridges.
    " For example, the Tobacco Tax on an e-cigarette starter kit is calculated on the total cost unless the nicotine cartridges are sold separately and then the tax would only be on the nicotine cartridge value. Similarly, a disposable e-cigarette may have the tax calculated on its nicotine cartridge value if the cartridge is replaceable."
    this is why a 5 pack is 20-25 dollars a shot. its also why B&M's are springing up all over the place. people are quickly switching to advanced options.
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  7. Nate760

    Nate760 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    This reads to me like a statute written by a bunch of ignorant rubes who think disposables and first-generation cigalikes are the only vaping products that exist. Because you have to live it when the people enacting public health policy can't be bothered to do 10 minutes of research before they start legislating.
     
  8. skoony

    skoony Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    this was done pretty much before PV's where available locally.
    cant remember for sure, some where in the 2007-9 time frame.
    i my self wasn't aware of e-cigs in general till 2013.
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  9. Tonythefiddler

    Tonythefiddler Senior Member

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    What worries me though is it says e-juice... And 95%??? So if I get my usual 30 ml from nicoticket it would come out to like 50 bucks :O
     
  10. skoony

    skoony Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    no,its just for cigalikes.
    BLU,V2,Greensmoke,etc.. .
    regards
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  11. rodeo302

    rodeo302 Super Member ECF Veteran

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    I'm from Minnesota and talked to my b&m they said it's all e-liquid that's why they have their juice made in Wisconsin so the tax isn't applied to keep prices down.
     
  12. skoony

    skoony Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    your B&M is wrong.its for pre-filled cartridges only.
    i am not even sure they are collecting the tax as
    the price difference between the over the counter
    and online is not that much.
    i far as i know internet sales are not being enforced
    for cartridges bought on the internet.however they
    have been going after internet cigarette buyers as
    there is no tax stamp on the packs.
    there is no stamp requirement on the cartridges.
    i can get locally 10 ml,18mg nic at 5.99 two for one.
    pay regular state sales tax is all.
    the law was written when only cigalikes were available.
    regards
    mike
     
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