Why is WTA such a controversial subject?

[Dustin Brown]

Yeah, all I would do is point him in the direction of the more informative posts and let him him science it up. I have no experience at all with chemistry so I would not be in the lab at all. I mean that is if the guy would even be interested and have time to do anything like that. It is just an idea right now.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yeah, all I would do is point him in the direction of the more informative posts and let him him science it up. I have no experience at all with chemistry so I would not be in the lab at all. I mean that is if the guy would even be interested and have time to do anything like that. It is just an idea right now.

Your friend would have to be committed, but hey, if he can do it, do it up.

 

[Dustin Brown]

So, even if he could without a doubt get it to say, 50mg nic, wouldn't that put the alkaloids at the 5% mark? If it is a natural spread extraction. Would that still be too dangerous to deal with? This is all hypothetical of course. I'm just curious to why the immediate concern. If it is definitely a bad idea I can forget about it.

 

[snork]

So, even if he could without a doubt get it to say, 50mg nic, wouldn't that put the alkaloids at the 5% mark? If it is a natural spread extraction. Would that still be too dangerous to deal with? This is all hypothetical of course. I'm just curious to why the immediate concern. If it is definitely a bad idea I can forget about it.

You really don't start at like 50mg anything...you start at as pure as pure can be. Scary as hell. I wouldn't touch it.

 

[Mr.Mann]

So, even if he could without a doubt get it to say, 50mg nic, wouldn't that put the alkaloids at the 5% mark? If it is a natural spread extraction. Would that still be too dangerous to deal with? This is all hypothetical of course. I'm just curious to why the immediate concern. If it is definitely a bad idea I can forget about it.

It's 5% no matter the strength (unless separate nicotine is added in). The minor alkaloids would be 5% (an approximation) whether it's pure, 50 mg, 25 mg, or 5 mg. WTA is 95% nic and 5% minor alkaloids (roughly).

 

[Dustin Brown]

Oh okay. I gotcha now. Yeah, IF he could do it, was willing to do it and we could get it to a pure level, I would just have him dilute it to a workable level while he was in his lab with all the safety gear. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near anything like that. I may have some crazy ideas but I'm not as stupid as I used to be. And because I lived through some pretty stupid things, I feel like I am more cautious now.

 

[Dustin Brown]

Right, so if he could get the nic to 100mg per ml that would be a workable amount with comparable risks to regular 100mg nic? Or do you think it would be more dangerous because of the other alkaloids?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Right, so if he could get the nic to 100mg per ml that would be a workable amount with comparable risks to regular 100mg nic? Or do you think it would be more dangerous because of the other alkaloids?

From the person that first made it, "One needs to be careful with this stuff. Undiluted, as pictured here, it could kill a full-grown person perhaps 8 times over, not a sport for amateurs:"

Is that the same as pure nicotine? I dunno, but I ain't messin' with either.

 

[GameDesigner]

What is WTA?

 

[snork]

What is WTA?

Whole tobacco alkaloids - nicotine plus the minor related alkaloids which occur naturally in tobacco. Search ECF for WTA for more than you'd ever want to know.

 

[Dustin Brown]

Whole tobacco alkaloids - nicotine plus the minor related alkaloids which occur naturally in tobacco. Search ECF for WTA for more than you'd ever want to know.

Way more. And like Mr. Mann said "That wasn't even (everything)!"

 

[Mr.Mann]

What is WTA?

What's up, GD. It would behoove you to read this: Whole Tobacco Alkaloids - A Bit of History: before anything else. That's written by the original creator of WTA.

 

[GameDesigner]

What's up, GD. It would behoove you to read this: Whole Tobacco Alkaloids - A Bit of History: before anything else. That's written by the original creator of WTA.

Thank you.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Thank you.

Noooooo problemo. Like snork said, there is a ton of info here on ECF. That link to Dvap's blog is not only a great place to begin, you can get virtually everything you need to know there. If you require the super-duper technical stuff, I can send those some other time.

 

[snork]

Here's a cool link to when it was first made available commercially. LOL It appears I had been in full stalking mode!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-alkaloid-wta-now-available-aroma-ejuice.html

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Rustica is also a known producer of TSNAs (Tobacco-specific nitrosamines). This means that you'll be extracting the cancer-causing aspect (which are also 'WTA'; ie; N-nitrosonornicotine, 4-methyl-N-nitrosamino-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone, N-nitrosoanatabine, & N-nitrosoanabasine) of this tobacco alongside the desired alkaloids.

It's 5% no matter the strength (unless separate nicotine is added in). The minor alkaloids would be 5% (an approximation) whether it's pure, 50 mg, 25 mg, or 5 mg. WTA is 95% nic and 5% minor alkaloids (roughly).

From what (little) I know (and in agreement with snork), alkaloid content may vary by strain of tobacco. This is why it's so important to research the specific tobacco one plans to use in such an extraction. That said, at least it's not the pyrolysis byproduct of nicotine, which is rather carcinogenic in and of itself.

Akin to WTA content, TSNA content can vary just as wildly depending on whether you're looking at a producer or non-producer (tobacco strain) of TSNAs.

Just make sure to research the certain type of tobacco you're using, make sure it isn't a known producer of TSNAs, or you're going to concentrate the harmful ones alongside the desired ones.

I advise everyone considering contracting someone to do such lab work to do the same.

Suffice it to say that research is required in this endeavor.

That's all for now!

 

[VaporMizer]

I wonder why WTA isn't more available from large scale producers? It should actually be much easier and cheaper to extract than pure nicotine.

 

[Dustin Brown]

Rustica is also a known producer of TSNAs (Tobacco-specific nitrosamines). This means that you'll be extracting the cancer-causing aspect (which are also 'WTA'; ie; N-nitrosonornicotine, 4-methyl-N-nitrosamino-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone, N-nitrosoanatabine, & N-nitrosoanabasine) of this tobacco alongside the desired alkaloids.



From what (little) I know (and in agreement with snork), alkaloid content may vary by strain of tobacco. This is why it's so important to research the specific tobacco one plans to use in such an extraction. That said, at least it's not the pyrolysis byproduct of nicotine, which is rather carcinogenic in and of itself.

Akin to WTA content, TSNA content can vary just as wildly depending on whether you're looking at a producer or non-producer (tobacco strain) of TSNAs.

Just make sure to research the certain type of tobacco you're using, make sure it isn't a known producer of TSNAs, or you're going to concentrate the harmful ones alongside the desired ones.

I advise everyone considering contracting someone to do such lab work to do the same.

Suffice it to say that research is required in this endeavor.

That's all for now!

These are good points. I haven't even actually talked to the chemist about any of this. When I do, I will hopefully have plenty of good info for him to take a look at and then wave his science wand and poof! WTA! Just kidding, but I will definitely look into strains of tobacco and their alkaloid content vs the nitrosamine content.

 

[snork]

I wonder why WTA isn't more available from large scale producers? It should actually be much easier and cheaper to extract than pure nicotine.

Why would you believe that? You have more to extract purely, and very specifically.

 

[snork]

Rustica is also a known producer of TSNAs (Tobacco-specific nitrosamines). This means that you'll be extracting the cancer-causing aspect (which are also 'WTA'; ie; N-nitrosonornicotine, 4-methyl-N-nitrosamino-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone, N-nitrosoanatabine, & N-nitrosoanabasine) of this tobacco alongside the desired alkaloids.



From what (little) I know (and in agreement with snork), alkaloid content may vary by strain of tobacco. This is why it's so important to research the specific tobacco one plans to use in such an extraction. That said, at least it's not the pyrolysis byproduct of nicotine, which is rather carcinogenic in and of itself.

Akin to WTA content, TSNA content can vary just as wildly depending on whether you're looking at a producer or non-producer (tobacco strain) of TSNAs.

Just make sure to research the certain type of tobacco you're using, make sure it isn't a known producer of TSNAs, or you're going to concentrate the harmful ones alongside the desired ones.

I advise everyone considering contracting someone to do such lab work to do the same.

Suffice it to say that research is required in this endeavor.

That's all for now!

Thanks! This is what I have been told, but was always lost on me until I see it in print!