Why Vaping won't ever convert the masses (of smokers)
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To each their own. I vape 100-120ml of the stuff every month. It does not taste anything like vegetable oil to me. 
Of course there is nothing stopping someone from adding a few drops of flavoring. The point being is that it is VERY EASY to have very very inexpensive juice. 
Making 50/50 VG/PG costs about the same.
@GeorgeS: I don't think others including myself could vape VG with nicotine and nothing else. Anything higher than 80% VG taste like vaping vegetable oil to me. Did you know vegetable oil was invented to be used as a diesel oil? Today people cook with it.
A lot more than you would think vape unflavored or use just a hint of flavoring in their e-liquid, even with flavoring it can be relatively inexpensive if you are making your own, mine with flavor is under $1.00/30ml. Not sure about the vegetable oil to vegetable glycerin comparison, or why you would ever be getting an oily taste? Vegetable glycerin has a sweet taste which is why it is use widely in the food industry as a sweetener and nicotine can have a peppery to no flavor to it.
I do think society as a whole is pretty much plug and play now, but I also think in this techy age more people are more open to learning new electronics... as long as the learning curve is not too steep.
I do hope some day not too far down the road vaping will become a more mainstream acceptable replacement for smoking but the face of vaping will chance a lot before that ever happens.
How much did you have to throw away before you got it right? That is my biggest concern, 90% garbage and 10% barely vapable.
As far as I know, I am the only one who tastes vegetable oil with VG. I do taste the sweetness too, but not the good kind of sweetness. It is hard to explain. After I was tasting vegetable oil with high VG juices, I looked it up. And guess what? VG (vegetable glycerin) is vegetable oil with the fatty acids removed.
I do hope you are right.
What are these 30 bucks worth of DIY supplies that last you a year?
That's a good question. There's no way to spend just 30$ and get a years worth of e-liquid. It's understandable why you would be curious about that. To get the cost way down you need to spend a little money investing in supplies. Buy in bulk.
1 Gallon Veg Glycerin + 1 Gallon Propylene Glycol - FREE US SHIPPING the cost per 30 ml bottle if you buy the two gallon free shipping deal is .17 cents.
if you purchase your nicotine by the liter, it can be had for as little as 40-50$ if you catch a sale. say I want 6 mg/ml liquid, that would require 1.8 ml of 100 mg/ml nicotine solution. The cost of that 1.8 ml at 50$ a liter is just .09 cents. total cost of the e-liquid before flavoring= .26 cents. That is less than one cent per ml
Vapers Tek TH was $25/liter of 100mg last time I ordered 3L w/free shipping - they seem to be out ATM
The last Glycube (4 gal from ED) cost me $76.15
My 70VG 20% flavoring 3mg DIY costs me about $20/Liter
I haven't done the math on my 10% Flavor 3mg 5% saline Max VG but I'd guess it's about the same
20ml-25ml/day = ~$150-$180/yr.
Mrs. Mowgli vapes 2ml/day = $15/year
We used to smoke $600/month total
$200/yr vs $7200 = I can buy whatever gear I want & still pay the bills
Vaping is as much cheaper as you want it to be if you're willing to learn & do
The last Glycube (4 gal from ED) cost me $76.15
My 70VG 20% flavoring 3mg DIY costs me about $20/Liter
I haven't done the math on my 10% Flavor 3mg 5% saline Max VG but I'd guess it's about the same
20ml-25ml/day = ~$150-$180/yr.
Mrs. Mowgli vapes 2ml/day = $15/year
We used to smoke $600/month total
$200/yr vs $7200 = I can buy whatever gear I want & still pay the bills
Vaping is as much cheaper as you want it to be if you're willing to learn & do
You were Here by that time. You had plenty of knowledge available ant at your fingertips. Discussions with others and plenty of others threads on Devices.
Most Vapers today have no clue ECF exist.
Not so much:
What you suffer is mental imaging. You imagine it is from Vegetables and is oily in nature so it must be modified vegetable oil.
Do you taste the Potato in Vodka?
*As to Cost - if you Vaped anything like you smoked you would be saving a fortune. Luxury flavoring(not available in cigarettes) and choice to Vape heavily are for your enjoyment and likely mostly unnecessary.
120Ml in top shelf tanks would last me 6 days. In a Carto tank - 6 weeks or longer
Choices.
I just did the math for my 10% Flavor 3mg 5% saline Max VG
My bad, it only costs me 85¢ for a 60ml bottle or $14.08 per liter
My 20% flavor 3mg 70VG costs a whopping $18.54 per liter (1.85¢/ml)
Glad I sorted that. I thought I was getting extravagant for a minute there.
$102-$128/year sounds so much more reasonable that I'm going to vape an extra milliliter tomorrow.
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I do my best to spend every penny.
It's hard work with 5 codependents helping me vape away my budget. Couldn't do it alone though.
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I like making up 'starter kits' for friends who are still smoking. The idea being is that they may never wish to gamble the ~$50 on a proper kit to try it out so I gather together inexpensive parts from the far east into kits that I give them to try.
Interesting to note that sometime around 5/1/16 I noticed FastTech not listing a bunch of "styled" stuff anymore. Thankfully the stuff for my kit was already on its way.
I was happily surprised that the little 20W VV/VW box mods I picked out would actually fire below 1.0ohm - just at reduced voltage or power settings. Cool beans. This opens up more options to get them started. The first one I tried even had/has a full charge!
Really can't get much more "plug and play" than this. Simply pull the single included atomizer, flood it with 50/50/0mg juice, blow out the excess and reinstall in tank, fill tank with 1ml of same juice, assemble it all together on the mod, adjust air flow and start vaping.
Vaping really does not need to be any more complicated than the above. (unless of course you want it to be) I may even keep one for myself as a backup in the car's glove box.
Interesting to note that sometime around 5/1/16 I noticed FastTech not listing a bunch of "styled" stuff anymore. Thankfully the stuff for my kit was already on its way.
I was happily surprised that the little 20W VV/VW box mods I picked out would actually fire below 1.0ohm - just at reduced voltage or power settings. Cool beans. This opens up more options to get them started. The first one I tried even had/has a full charge!
Really can't get much more "plug and play" than this. Simply pull the single included atomizer, flood it with 50/50/0mg juice, blow out the excess and reinstall in tank, fill tank with 1ml of same juice, assemble it all together on the mod, adjust air flow and start vaping.
Vaping really does not need to be any more complicated than the above. (unless of course you want it to be) I may even keep one for myself as a backup in the car's glove box.
Some of this is off-topic, but I wish to add to the conversation.....
Smoking cigarettes was SO MUCH EASIER than vaping. There, I said it. However, at a shop in which I do a lot of work on-site, I get to witness smoking on a routine basis. It reminds me of the reasons I started vaping. 1. Having to step outside. 2. Catching the scent of clothes that smell of dirty ashtrays.
3. Hearing smoker's cough. 4. Seeing smokers with not so white teeth.
With smoking, I had 4 things- 1. RYO tobacco. 2. Rolling machine. 3. Tubes. 4. Lighter. THAT'S IT. Eventually, these 4 items have been substituted for seemingly 400 items. Smoking turned into, at least for me, a complex, full time hobby that takes up virtually ALL of my spare time. I don't spend a ton of money on vaping as I DIY my vaporizers & e-liquid. But that is where all my spare time goes- into vaping projects.
I am constantly thinking about things I can do to enhance the vaping experience, such as tweaking a recipe, trying a recipe, polishing an older mod, etc........... One Sunday when I decided to change the coil resistance on my mods, it took ALL DAY, since I have 15 devices I use regularly. SMH.......
Do I want to smoke again? -NO WAY. NEVER AGAIN. As for making things so complicated, that is totally on me. But the route I have taken has tackled the impossible task of quitting smoking.
Smoking cigarettes was SO MUCH EASIER than vaping. There, I said it. However, at a shop in which I do a lot of work on-site, I get to witness smoking on a routine basis. It reminds me of the reasons I started vaping. 1. Having to step outside. 2. Catching the scent of clothes that smell of dirty ashtrays.
3. Hearing smoker's cough. 4. Seeing smokers with not so white teeth.
With smoking, I had 4 things- 1. RYO tobacco. 2. Rolling machine. 3. Tubes. 4. Lighter. THAT'S IT. Eventually, these 4 items have been substituted for seemingly 400 items. Smoking turned into, at least for me, a complex, full time hobby that takes up virtually ALL of my spare time. I don't spend a ton of money on vaping as I DIY my vaporizers & e-liquid. But that is where all my spare time goes- into vaping projects.
I am constantly thinking about things I can do to enhance the vaping experience, such as tweaking a recipe, trying a recipe, polishing an older mod, etc........... One Sunday when I decided to change the coil resistance on my mods, it took ALL DAY, since I have 15 devices I use regularly. SMH.......
Do I want to smoke again? -NO WAY. NEVER AGAIN. As for making things so complicated, that is totally on me. But the route I have taken has tackled the impossible task of quitting smoking.
The main crux of your argument/s seem to be that vaping requires too much effort, either in actual physical labor or mental labor in the brief time required for using a search engine and reading information.
When I first began into vaping it was by way of the Njoy cig-a-likes. These did not seem satisfactory to me. My wife took about fifteen minutes to look some stuff up, go buy me an eGo kit with an RGM2 evod style tank. These were a great deal better imho than the cig-a-likes, they had longer battery life, could be refilled easily with juice.
It was at this point I became more interested in vaping. I began to look up info on extending how long the batteries could be used. I read about higher resistance coils firing at lower voltage/wattage. I then found a variable voltage eGo style battery and started examining these bits called heads. It was not long after this I began reading about rebuilding the coils in the heads, here at ECF.
I also learned how to properly clean the heads to extend the life of coils. It took me maybe five minutes to learn two or three different methods. I use a simple vodka bath, rinse, dry burn and vape method. Others might boil their coil head assemblies in a pan of water on the stove. To boil water takes approximately 3-10 minutes depending on your elevation, barometric pressure and other various trivial factors in this thing called life.
And you can load a pan of water with 20-100 head assemblies, put a wooden spoon over the rim of the pan, walk away and go live for a bit. Your water will not boil over using the wooden spoon trick, it's an old and common bit of kitchen wise tales, knowledge. It takes maybe a minute to learn. Then, you've boiled and cleaned your heads in say 10 to 15 minutes after you drain off the water and put them on a towel or paper towels to air dry.
Usually, a good way to keep ahead doing this is to use the five pack method. I'll rotate out heads, one can go for about two weeks until it needs cleaned. Swap with a new head, put the old on into the vodka bath. Two weeks later pull the one in the bath out, rinse it, dry fire it, you've a clean 'new' head to swap with the now 'old' one. If you use a low end variety of evod tanks you'll find they all share fairly inexpensive universal heads. The five packs run about $5 and it takes maybe 2 minutes to order them from a good vendor.
If you're keeping track, I can come up with maybe 45 minutes to an hour to learn about the eGo and evod type of tank kits. Then, maybe tack on 5 minutes to learn using one in hand. So, I'll figure roughly an hour to learn these. Refilling the tanks usually runs 1 or 2 minutes each time. I moderately vape so a 2.5mL tank could last me 3 days roughly. I may need to swap batteries, taking another 1-2 minutes to put the 'old' battery on to charge, twisting the 'new' & freshly charged battery unto the evod. Granted, 1 to 2 minutes compared to 1 minute to pull a cigarette out and light it up seems excessive. Given the harm reduction of vaping though, I think it equals out.
As for learning about suboHm kits, well, that took me about an hour to grasp the basics. There's all kinds of information about Ohm's law not just on ECF. There's also lots of information on battery safety, not just on ECF. Usually, it only takes 1 to 5 minutes to read something regarding help, advice, warning on suboHm vaping. It took me the hour for the basics because like most I had been scared by media's love of shock and misery tales, decided upon being very cautious.
I use various references on the web and off, charts, reminder texts for suboHm vaping. Building a coil takes me oh, 2-5 minutes. I need about that long to grab nail nips on a magnet tacked to my computer case, my little mandrel in the plastic box of my tiny build kit, my 28 gauge kanthal spool. It took maybe 10 minutes to order this gear. I got the mandrel with the squonk kit I tried. It was a suboHm & mechanical mod. It took me around 15 minutes to learn enough saftey, basics about both using a mech and building dual coil set ups.
All totaled, I'd say about 3 hours of learning can give you a solid foundation regarding vaping. As to the physical labor of building coils, changing batteries I kind of overlook that as for me the harm reduction benefits outweigh the few minutes spent here and there to ensure I can keep vaping. You might say I spend on average 5-10 minutes every 3 days or so on the little trivial physical labor, around 30 minutes a week, if that.
Ultimately though, if your argument is that it is too much work, fine. Go on back to smoking cigarettes. No skin off my nose. I won't go back to cigarettes myself. I do enjoy vaping because it provides harm reduction, is pleasant compared to cigarettes what are so dirty and foul to bodies. Everyone can happily go on doing what makes them happy. I won't bother converting you but by the same token, don't try converting me either. ( In this I'm not directing at you specifically, rather the general you, or anyone. )
Do I care if masses of smokers become vapers?
It would be great if vaping could save masses of lives.
I would love it if smokers came to vaping and stayed, in droves. It is their choice though and I'm not going to assert dominance over that choice. You can bring a horse to water but never make it drink. What is right for you is right for you because it's right for you. What's right for me is right for me because it's right for me. So, while I care, I also care to not make someone else's choices or have my own made for me.
Sadly that remains the same, at least here in the UK. Everyone who wasn't forced to prevent indoor vaping has since done so of their own accord.
So you still have to go outside, and without being blessed with a Californian climate, it rains a lot. As you know a soggy cigarette still works, whereas a vaping device, not really (besides how dangerous it is to get them wet).
Main issue is that most of the people who smoked in the 1990s/early 2000s were women, and since the ban most just quit outright, content that their smartphone can replace those dirty little tubes, as selfies are the new cool, dontcha know? So the only people left outside (again in non-descript ex-industrial town in UK, I'm not talking progressive London here) tend to be old-school thugs, puffing away. You know, the kind that think coughing up blood just makes you more of a man. And there's me with my pretty vaping device. First you get the stares, then comments like "oh you're one of those, eh? My wife has one in pink" or "real thing too much for ya, bro?" or just stifled laughter as they whisper a comment between themselves, having already decided your main profession is meeting other men in public toilets.
Also I have a weird quirk with vaping... It's not a problem, it's just the one thing different from when I smoked analogues. I normally only vape when I am drinking (drinking anything, soda, coffee, alcohol). When I smoked analogues whilst out at a bar (since the ban), I would have to leave my drink inside, and go out for a quick ciggie. With vaping, it seems, I get no joy out of it when it isn't accompanied with anything... feels weird, but I still do it nevertheless. Maybe it's because I use the drink to pace how much I vape, rather like how an analogue would be finite. I usually just vape a good hard couple of drags now, then I'm done (especially if it's raining and I'm trying not to get it wet).
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