Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

[EvilGrym]

I'm not a biologist, but know about air dust etc. But that particles i found really irritate throat & lungs. It's enough for me (& about 100 people) to go to organics. About SS mesh - how often you clear it? When the slag covers wick & coil temperature rate gets broken. Acrolein & other things... I just saw a foto of ss wick yesterday. looks awfully.

by the way , what wick are you vaping?

 

[EvilGrym]

Has it been asked yet? Does ceramic fiber splinter like fiberglass and silica?

any hard material does so. the differense is only in amount and size.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

When the slag covers wick & coil temperature rate gets broken. Acrolein & other things

What does this mean, Gym?

 

[EvilGrym]

When you use a new coil & a new wick you have a temperature equal to vaporization temperature of liquid, but after some time a lot of gunk (slag) covers coil (as on foto above). there is not enough liqid around coil's wire. as the result liqid overheats and we get acrolein.

SS wicks relax your attention to the system health status, and you get unwanted chemicals inside. (pic above - a man doesn't clean it for a month. It works, why he must clean it?)

Organic fibers protect from overheat. They destroy themself. When you overveat , or overdry your wick you feel specific taste (smell of burning) . i don'n know how you call it in english, we call it Garry ( too long to explain, it's russian slang). So anyone who used bamboo or cotton wick matched, that thre is no such thing. Only "slight ghost of Garry" enough to feel it and add some more liqid, wick does not burns at this case. Of course, if you ignore this ghost you can burn wick to ashes. Another funny thing is that you can add liquid and continue vape on ashes for some time. For example on silica Garry comes strong and fast no ghosts.

From my experience i replace wick weekly. vaping about 10 ml daily. I use liqiuds with natural aromas (tincture of cinnamon or pipe tobaco on vodka) which gives alot of gunk

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I didn't realize overheating a non acrolein containing juice could create acrolein...

So unfortunately it seems like there is no source yet for pure unbleached/undyed cotton yarn

 

[Cyrus Vap]

When glycerol is heated to 280.°C, it decomposes into acrolein. Acrolein may also be produced on lab scale by the reaction of potassium bisulfate on glycerol (glycerine).[2]

From wiki. Are our atomizers getting that hot? I honesty have no idea TBH

 

[EvilGrym]

I didn't realize overheating a non acrolein containing juice could create acrolein...

overheated glicerin turns into acrolein. not much but enough to feel sick.

 

[EvilGrym]

When glycerol is heated to 280.°C, it decomposes into acrolein. Acrolein may also be produced on lab scale by the reaction of potassium bisulfate on glycerol (glycerine).[2]

From wiki. Are our atomizers getting that hot? I honesty have no idea TBH

of course yes. if you have not enough liquid your coil becomes red. it's much more then 280°C at least twice
colours vs temp:
very dark red (visible in darkness)..... 400°C
dark red ...................................... 500°C
dark cherry .................................. 550°C
middle cherry................................ 600°C
...
Light red ..................................... 950°C

If the coil has any color in some parts it produces acrolein.

organical wick has a better contact with coil , because it's soft. Soft wick has better contact with coil, better liquid transfer , more effective cooling capability.

 

[EvilGrym]

About throathit. Organical wick gives very soft th or even no th. Silica & other hardcore wicks give strong th. Why so? I suspect, that strong th is fake th produced by acroleine, not nicotine. Where from you get th on zero nic liquid?

 

[Cyrus Vap]

So where do we get safe organics from EvilGrym? Seems like its an entire can of worms in and of itself because if its not 'pure' we'll have other issues...

 

[EvilGrym]

So where do we get safe organics from EvilGrym?

I don't know where you can get cristal pure organics, may be grow it yourself on a space station...
First fiber i used was a bandage, sterille, from a dragstore. I don't know what bandages you have there, may be with some antiseptic - thats not one you need , the most simple bandage sterilized with x-rays. (it costs here about 0,3...0,5$) (but some users recommend to boil it anyway to wash away factory dust)

The next was white cotton yarn. Just boil it, changing water for several times.

People are actively using bamboo yarn & like it. i'm waiting for my one, but our post it The Legend.

Several people report about tail of lipton teabags. Good cotton, but you'll need a lot of teabags .

One man managed to vape even on a paper, but this was too cool, so that idea died.

 

[BJ43]

I am the owner of the picture you posted and it is not one month but two days of vaping to form that ball of crud. I vape 5 to 6ml per day of steeped in vodka pipe tobacco in 100%VG no nic except what little that gets through in steeping. I wash and dry burn the wick and coil every two days. Here is what it looks like after washing and dry burning. I ordered some bamboo yarn to try. You can see the white ash from dry burning.

 

[darco]

Excuse my ignorance, but don't all commercial atties and cartos use silica wicks?

 

[Robert T]

I've never heard of acrolein so I googled it, here is one thing I found.

http://wisteme.com/question.view?targetAction=viewQuestionTab&id=14235

 

[urquidezj]

So where do I purchase this bamboo yarn and what kind. Undyed I'm assuming right?

 

[notsmoking]

Here is a link to some bamboo yarn I just bought.... but I am not 100% sure if its the right stuff..... but it is undyed bamboo

eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices

I screwed up when I bought this.... wrong stuff... do not buy !!!

 

[Cyrus Vap]

That was my point wrt to "organics" e.g. where is it?

BJ what are you getting at? lol Sorry I'm not sure.

 

[BJ43]

That was my point wrt to "organics" e.g. where is it?

BJ what are you getting at? lol Sorry I'm not sure.

That it wasn't one month of crud, just two days and looking forward to trying the bamboo, thanks...

 

[urquidezj]

That one has nylon. I'm almost positive nylon and juice don't mix much less be melted with high heat. Might be wrong tho

 

[Cyrus Vap]

That it wasn't one month of crud, just two days and looking forward to trying the bamboo, thanks...

Ah got it. I was confused because I got the impression that you felt cotton was 2nd place to SS mesh, tis all. Thank you for the clarification