FDA Will the FDA regs apply to orders from overseas?

[Chemical Bromance]

But there are other reviewers in other nations. If we want to watch reviews about new stuff we'll have to watch them.

I've watched a couple from Europe but frankly the popular guys like GG and RT have the presentation down. The other guys just aren't as polished and as a result, aren't as entertaining.

I'm also a big gun fan and I kinda wish there were as many varied vape vids as there are gun vids on YooToob.

 

[sofarsogood]

I've watched a couple from Europe but frankly the popular guys like GG and RT have the presentation down. The other guys just aren't as polished and as a result, aren't as entertaining.

I'm also a big gun fan and I kinda wish there were as many varied vape vids as there are gun vids on YooToob.

May be there is a similarity. Some people think they need a lot of different guns. Some people think they need a lot of different vape rigs. One atomizer and two different mods will keep me happy for the rest of my days. If you think you need firearm protection at home all that's needed is the mighty Remington 12 guage pump, highly respected by bad guys everywhere.

 

[Chemical Bromance]

May be there is a similarity. Some people think they need a lot of different guns. Some people think they need a lot of different vape rigs. One atomizer and two different mods will keep me happy for the rest of my days. If you think you need firearm protection at home all that's needed is the mighty Remington 12 guage pump, highly respected by bad guys everywhere.

I don't disagree; we really only need one good set of tools. But being a recreational shooter, watching gun vids is watching porn. There's always another new toy, add on, gizmo, thingamabob, whachamacallit. For me, part of the interest in vaping is also the hardware, accessories and variations.
For instance, I started out with a Minikin and for a few months it felt like it was all I'd need. But the itch to try out a DNA200, plus being egged on by my friend, I picked up the Triade and Therion and WOW! A whole world of experience. Prior to having made those purchases, I relied on the videos and still do for recommendations on hardware.
With the new regs in place, I'd expect there will be a lot less content thats easily available and in consequence, demand will also plunge significantly around the world till brands find a way to develop new channels to reach buyers.

 

[Chemical Bromance]

UTAH BANS ONLINE VAPING PURCHASES

Came across this when I was searching for articles...

 

[KentA]

LOL. How are they going to enforce that one?

States cannot regulate interstate commerce, & it's a federal crime for them to mess with the US mail.

 

[Lessifer]

LOL. How are they going to enforce that one?

States cannot regulate interstate commerce, & it's a federal crime for them to mess with the US mail.

If they(someone in the utah government) order something from out of state and it gets delivered, could they go after the vendor they ordered from?

 

[KentA]

If they(someone in the utah government) order something from out of state and it gets delivered, could they go after the vendor they ordered from?

Utah vs Fasttech?
The lawyers involved would cause Utah to increase taxes.
I don't think they can negotiate their own trade agreement with China either.

 

[Lessifer]

Utah vs Fasttech?
That would increase taxes.
I don't think they can negotiate their own trade agreement with China either.

well, what about say Utah vs Provape?

 

[mostlyclassics]

. . . it's a federal crime for them to mess with the US mail.

That's only true if it's a first-class letter. Underline letter.

First-class parcels, priority, express mail, parcel post, etc., can be opened and searched by the posties. And are.

 

[KentA]

well, what about say Utah vs Provape?

I don't know about Provape, but if someone in Utah wants to buy my iStick, I'm not under the jurisdiction of Utah's law.

 

[KentA]

That's only true if it's a first-class letter. Underline letter.

First-class parcels, priority, express mail, parcel post, etc., can be opened and searched by the posties. And are.

Since when are the post officers required to enforce state law? They are an agency of the federal government. To police Utah vaping would be as inappropriate as the FBI handing out traffic tickets.

 

[Lessifer]

I don't know about Provape, but if someone in Utah wants to buy my iStick, I'm not under the jurisdiction of Utah's law.

Yes, yes, individuals can skirt the law. I kind of figured we were talking about the industry though.

 

[englishmick]

Maybe the Chinese companies will just add a disclaimer with a check box...

This is what FT says in FAQ.

Since FastTech ships to over 100 countries in the world, it is your responsibility to obey your country's specific laws and customs regulations.

If an item is returned to FastTech because it is restricted by your country, FastTech refunds your order less actual shipping costs already incurred to ship your order. This amount is usually 20% of order total but can be higher or lower depending on the nature of product ordered. The rest is refunded to you in the way you originally paid your order for, or in the way of store credits, at your choice.

If you have questions, please feel free to contact us.

 

[mostlyclassics]

Since when are the post officers required to enforce state law? They are an agency of the federal government. To police Utah vaping would be as inappropriate as the FBI handing out traffic tickets.

Posties aren't required to enforce state law, KentA. For that matter, they aren't federal employees, since the USPS is an independent government corporation.

But the posties are local residents. So they pick up brownie points (a beer after work? who knows) if they point out suspicious packages to local authorities. It's the local authorities who then do the arresting or whatever.

 

[KentA]

They aren't required to enforce state law, KentA. For that matter, they aren't federal employees, since the USPS is an independent government corporation.

Since you paraphrased my post, we agree.

But the posties are local residents. So they pick up brownie points (a beer after work? who knows) if they point out suspicious packages to local authorities. It's the local authorities who then do the arresting or whatever.

Most postal inspections are performed by dogs sniffing for illegal drugs & explosives. That tactic won't work for vaping. The "independent government corporation" could probably buy & train dogs for juice in Utah, but that isn't going to happen. With the cutbacks in the postal system, the remaining employees are busy enough that I doubt they'll extend their workload to open packages for a beer after work.

 

[mostlyclassics]

Most postal inspections are performed by dogs sniffing for illegal drugs & explosives. That tactic won't work for vaping.

I suspect most nabbings of illegal substances, etc., are done by local posties knowing their neighbors. That's how I got nailed with that small package of tobacco I sent a friend in Washington State. No dog: just a nosy postie.

Look, I have a P.O. box. And the posties, being nieighborly people who are quite nosy as neighborly people are wont to be, ask me what I get in those parcels. I used to tell them (never again!). Needless to say, I hope all my vape mail is delivered by August 8th. I stopped ordering stuff on July 25th, so I should be safe. But you'd better believe that if a vape-related package arrives on August 9 or later, I could be in trouble.

With the cutbacks in the postal system, the remaining employees are busy enough that I doubt they'll extend their workload to open packages for a beer after work.

There have been some cutbacks, but those have been countered by the posties by selective delays in mail transit or delivery. They are not increasing their workload! Besides, if the two post offices I go to are at all indicative of the rest of the country, there have been zero reductions in the posties manning the windows.

 

[Kent C]

Posties aren't required to enforce state law, KentA. For that matter, they aren't federal employees, since the USPS is an independent government corporation.

A misconception that was brought about by the 1971 Postal Reorganization Act.

"The USPS often is mischaracterized as a quasi governmental or private entity. It is neither. The USPS is a government agency that was created by Congress to achieve various public purposes. Federal law defines what products and services the Postal Service may offer. Additionally, the USPS’s employees are federal employees who participate in the Civil Service Retirement System, the Federal Employees Retirement System, and the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.



"The Supreme Court has even weighed in on what being “independent” means for the USPS, in an opinion from 2004:
The PRA’s designation of the Postal Service as an “independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States,” 39 U. S. C. §201, is not consistent with the idea that the Postal Service is an entity existing outside the Government. Indeed, the designation indicates just the contrary. The PRA gives the Postal Service a high degree of independence from other Government offices, but it remains part of the Government."

Postal myths: #2 The USPS isn’t part of the federal government | postalnews.com

AND:
"As previously discussed, USPS’s unfunded liabilities and debt have become a large and growing financial burden, increasing from 99 percent of USPS revenues at the end of fiscal year 2007 to 182 percent of revenues at the end of fiscal year 2015 (see table 2 in app. I for more detail). At the end of fiscal year 2015, USPS’s $125 billion in unfunded liabilities and outstanding debt represented a $7.4 billion increase from the previous year."

http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/674728.pdf

 

[puffon]

Wouldn't we have heard something from SFATA or CASSA by now if in fact e-cigs will be illegal to mail, after 8/8/16?
Seems all online vendors would be having "blowout" going out of business sales soon?

 

[Lessifer]

Wouldn't we have heard something from SFATA or CASSA by now if in fact e-cigs will be illegal to mail, after 8/8/16?
Seems all online vendors would be having "blowout" going out of business sales soon?

They won't be illegal to mail, on a federal level, as of 8/8/16. I believe the PACT act would need to be amended for that, could be wrong. State laws regarding out of state purchases are different though, and as per the OP, technically the fda regs do apply to products from overseas if they are being sold to US residents.

 

[Chemical Bromance]

They won't be illegal to mail, on a federal level, as of 8/8/16. I believe the PACT act would need to be amended for that, could be wrong. State laws regarding out of state purchases are different though, and as per the OP, technically the fda regs do apply to products from overseas if they are being sold to US residents.

But the onus is placed on the buyer. So assuming someone decides to do a mass order for his buddies, he could face a potential raid on the grounds of being a potential trafficker of contraband.
But more likely, stuff is just going to get stopped at customs. I just though it was unusual for Utah to pass a law to make online purchase of vape illegal.

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