After watching Mike's appearance on PoH.
And the claim that Zen Rolling Papers have made against Mike using Zen...
Perhaps the name "HoH-Pro" would work?
What think ye?!?
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And the claim that Zen Rolling Papers have made against Mike using Zen...
Perhaps the name "HoH-Pro" would work?
What think ye?!?
LOLz
I agree about things quieting down, however I do so from a different point of view.
My Provaris, carto tanks, and Kayfuns have kept me comfortable in a very affordable way, in an unexpected financial way. They're cheap to own and maintain. Thus I've been saving.
About 12 months ago, I started compiling my lists of things I would NEED to continue vaping, after the regs.
About 8 months ago, I revved up the engine on my hoarding tendencies, and started stockpiling hardware, wick, wire, spare parts, etc.
About 6 months ago, I took the gloves off (meaning I brought out my credit cards), and started doing my best impression of a high school tween with mommy & daddy's credit cards.
I started gluing my face to the Classifieds, and hunting down old websites, and scouring current vendors, for all the shiny I had always wanted but never bought.
New mods, gently used mods, accessories and add-ons for tanks and mods, even some tutti-fru-fru things like the J-UU-L. I pretty much didn't hold back like I have been the last 4-5 years.
When the ZNA PRO drops, I have a very comforting warmth in my mind, that I will need to purchase nothing else.
I'm sure batteries will be available, and I'm using RTD as a barometer for that.
But I think I can honestly say the thing we all try to tell ourselves at one point or another: I'm all set.
DIY gear is currently trying to test that resolve, and I may partake. But that's all reasonably affordable stuff, so I'm not too worried about it.
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Back to my point, or rather your point @ENAUD...
I, too, feel it will get quieter here in the US of A.
I do think a lot of the quieter voices will be those who spent their time and money chasing the $35 Chinamod-special-of-the-week setups, as they come to realize much of their gear won't last them through this winter.
Much like the ants vs. the grasshopper, I'm glad I did my due diligence and spent my time and money in what I feel to be a more worthwhile fashion.
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Short term memory is claimed to be the first to goI can believe it these days
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Why Walking through a Doorway Makes You Forget
Brilliant, now what did I come in here for??? scratching head
I too have spent silly amounts of loot prepping for the Vapocalypse. I have a vape hoarding chest with sufficient items, consumables, and rebuilding materials to last a pair of my remaining life times. There has been a silver lining to this tyrannical assault upon my personage by the government I have come to despise however; Rebuilding. Prior to the F*** D*** A******* unconstitutional power grab, I had been content to make my own juice while using pre-fab'd coils for my daily vaping needs. The pillaging of my basic human freedoms; however, forced me to take up rebuilding for survival purposes if nothing else. I have actually come to enjoy the process of making a coil, checking the resistance, wicking it, making adjustments, and then relishing a handcrafted vape. The bed wetting, window licking, braying, decomposing-jackaloped
,unwashed-heathen, pig-dog, defiling, lying-effsticks, that are the spawn of O'Satan (FDA) have actually given me a new hobby in addition to my nicotine needs.
And for that, I will not complain when they burn for three eternities in the 8th level of hell rather than the 9th level that they most certainly deserve.
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I hear ya on the FDA.... You used nicer words than I would have to describe them
I think Zen will pullout all the stops on launch day. You can bet we will see engraving, one of a kinds and whatever stylish magical whatnots he can put into a device. It's a shame that the FDA put a strangle hold on U.S. innovation in the vape market.... I mean Zen and Provape will still be able to make new devices but the American Vaper won't be able to purchase it....I wonder if we will see any of the top fill kabuki tanks that are rumored from awhile back?
I think Zen will pullout all the stops on launch day. You can bet we will see engraving, one of a kinds and whatever stylish magical whatnots he can put into a device. It's a shame that the FDA put a strangle hold on U.S. innovation in the vape market.... I mean Zen and Provape will still be able to make new devices but the American Vaper won't be able to purchase it....I wonder if we will see any of the top fill kabuki tanks that are rumored from awhile back?
That makes me wonder...
If Provape or Zen make a new shiny, and only sell it overseas, and then I order it from an overseas vendor, is that..."legal"?
They didn't sell it to me directly...and the overseas company didn't MAKE it, which means they don't have to file the FDA thing to introduce the device to the American market.
Think companies like Intaste and CDV (Cloud9) would cut us poor American saps a break on the pricing?
Sorta like a big, international middle finger to the FDA!
Doing that would make you an importer....I do believe. You could get in trouble but I am no expert. A person from my company tried to do that with some products and the legal dept said $&@" NO!!! But it was ok to travel with said things in regular baggage... Go figure
Hmmmm :scratches beard:
While I agree about the importer thing, I bet there's a limit line to cross...
Just like when the police bust someone with illegal substances, if it's over a certain amount, they call it intent to distribute.
If I order just one, I feel like they couldn't bust me.
Who knows? "They" will do anything "they" can to get money.
I don't know how your regulations work, but in Western Australia (where I am from) it is illegal to commercially sell any vape gear or juice. Some other states are allowed to commercially sell gear and juice, but nowhere in Australia is it legal to sell juice with nicotine added. It is a pain for sure... but we are allowed to import nico juice and gear for personal use.
I'm with you there Astro turf done with gear purchases. Purchased good items to begin with and am pretty set.
But it will be interesting.
Funny how some folks appear to get so intense about Vaping and drama about it...Really LOL Almost sound like legal Defense Counsel.
HB, I'm no lawyer. (I'm not that warped nor that rich.) But I ordered some stuff once that customs said I could not bring into the country. Wrote me a nasty letter and asked me to agree to confiscation or I could request a hearing. I signed the letter and sent it back and that was the end of that. I did consult a friend of mine first who was a professor at the Baylor Law School. He said it was no big deal and happened all the time. Just don't try to bring in a ton of uranium, which you can buy from Amazon!
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I think I'll have to talk to my lawyer friends...(No joke intended. They are lawyers, and I have friends)...
I don't think a new Provape product would be illegal to have shipped to the US, from an overseas vendor. I really feel like it's a loophole.
I know, I know...none of you would stop me from wasting my money to find out.
And on that front, I really wouldn't want to waste my money.
But if it's a loophole, man is it gonna feel really good to stretch my middle finger up at the FDA, as hard as I can!
HB, and I'll be right there with you. I'd love to stick a big one right up the FDA's ... (and most other government agencies too!)
Since this is a Zen related thread, thought I would share a short clip Mike sent me on the engraving of my Vaporversy V1 Provari. Just goes to show how labor intensive a hand crafted mod can be.
And here is a close-up of what he was actually engraving....
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And here is a close-up of what he was actually engraving....
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That was really cool!
I've got a legacy ZNA and love it - well except for the time I dropped it and it dented my Macbook.
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