Hi Cozz, watched the show tonight 12/09/12, tryed to call in, but could'nt get through.. anyway.. in my research efforts, I have come to find that Ovale USA are in fact the creators of most joyetech products, including the E/Vic. Ovale (Gainsville Florida) has their product manufactured in China, (as usual, cheaper cost), it's maddening to me.. however, there is no reason to believe Ovale has the inside scoop to Joyetech, because Ovale are actually the creator of ego products to begin with. I am attempting to begin a retail store and am a freak about research.. through that mind set of mine, is how I dug deep, to find this info. It's all crazy. I am kicking back on the technology of the e-vic, e-roll, e-this, e-that, just nuts. The CE-4 clearomizer is kicking the taste far above the
tanks that I am so hung up on.. I am amazed at the increase in flavor . and vape... we are all together in this new awesome sensation of no butts.. all info is important..