Mucho thanks man; I briefly checked out their sub forum, will do some more investigation when I get time soon. Think I will start with a cheap kit so I can try several of their components; as you probably were, I am heavy into V4L hardware, and don't want to abandon everything (lots of chargers, batts, cool carts, drip tips, etc...). Really appreciate your help, saw your post over on V4L, and remembered you as a fellow recipient of snobbish condescending put-downs from the "great wintery one" 
