I agree, warm(sometimes hot) vapor is very nice. I will say I have gone back to 3.7 and LR cartos on a mod with a big battery. A mod with a 18650 is not the same as 3.7 on an eGo/Riva. As far as bottomfeeders go, they are fun. I have an Old Goats Mod and love it. A Reo is never a bad investment...