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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    BT is in the market and will be MUCH more in the future, whether we like it or not. Support that if you like but it what it will mostly likely bring is huge hurdles to meet regs (IOW $$$$), pre-filled cartos only and a much higher retail cost with very limited flavors. They're not here to...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    This is a must listen-to interview for anyone who vapes. Bill Godshall is a HUGE defender of our rights and one of the most knowledegable people on the entire situation re FDA, legislation, etc.
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    I would like to see just one organization representing us to the FDA. They could receive input from from associations. The only one I personally trust is CASAA but I don't know if they would do it, or how to initiate that.
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    Whole Tobacco Alkaloid (WTA) now available at Aroma Ejuice

    I expect they're going to shy away from discussion on ECF, we're too much for them to handle ;-) Expect them to seek out only sympathetic forums, communicate only verbally, email or IM directly so there's no public disclosure and try to let the fire die down. The bottom line on WTA is no matter...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    I agree kezygirl. There are some givens...FDA and others will be imposing regulations in the future. The community will be better off if they are well prepared for this. BT will be involved, possible even as an ally in certain regards. BP will not be an ally, they are closely aligned with the...
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    Hunting Contest

    Rack them up man!
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    I must say I'm confused by the GRaS thing. It regulates additives to food and even has provisions for something approved as GRaS may not qualify depending on the food it's added to. I'm therefore guessing that any juice with nicotine in it will not qualify, is that not right? If it is, how...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    I think this is THE MOST IMPORTANT point of the whole discussion. There is no question that when the FDA comes in they will be testing. That is what they do and have done. Any initiative which doesn't not only include testing, but makes it the highest priority is blowing in the wind imo. The...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    There is such a thing as a Consumer Advocate, most of them are lawyers. It is a profession and they do have a trade organization representing them.
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    When I met Lou Ritter he was advocating that we all buy Darwin's which apparently he helped with the design of. Is he registered with the National Association of Consumer Advocates? How come a google of Lou Ritter brings up nothing? Nor Linkedin? Nor Facebook? The only thing was an old Google+...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    I'm a vaper, not in the biz so I always vote with my wallet. You're phrasing is correct so let me amend; they are a private association set up to govern and mandate rather than just assist.
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    I think we all understand that regulation from the FDA and possibly other government agencies are coming. That as a community we should be preparing ourselves to lessen or diffuse this impact. While I totally agree on a movement to promote self-regulation and applaud AEMSA starting this ball...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    A few people have mentioned things about WTA that I believe need clarification. First there was concern about extracted tobacco flavors being excluded on account of WTA. Their is no mention of allowable levels, such as the FDA has on Arsenic, but there is actually very minute presence of WTA in...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    A good start in self-regulation would have been floating the concept and getting broad approval, providing a forum for all to voice opinions and comment on proposals, instead of presenting it in stone as it has been. Any changes if they are to be made will need to be chiseled out. A better start...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    I have voiced on WTA allready and note there were about 16 posts before I did, saying the same. Besides the WTA issue itself, it is symptomatic of a larger issue. Self-regulation is an interesting concept but it would need to be approached in a temperate manner. Three or so people getting...
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    American E-Liquid Manufacturers' Standards Association launches

    While I think it probably has merit in concept there's a lot that bears further discussion. My main gripe (and maybe will be yours too), is they have put WTA on the NOT acceptable list. This actually outrages me that they can be okay with the primary tobacco alkaloid (nicotine) while making WTA...
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    Whole Tobacco Alkaloid (WTA) now available at Aroma Ejuice

    I don't know if all of you are aware but there's a major movement afoot to have juice suppliers and manufacturers join in accepting and implementing controls and standards before regulators do. While I think it probably has merit in concept there's a lot that bears further discussion. My main...
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    Hunting Contest

    Continuing to say hi to whoever posted last, so..."Hi Mrs Brew".
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    Hunting Contest

    I decided to say hi to whoever posted last, so... HI LAURALIE.
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    ✫✫ CONTEST✫✫ FALL is HERE! $200 - SmokelessImage.com

    #10: Enjoying multiple flavors for their quality of taste instead of an ashtray fix.
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