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  1. TheIllustratedMan

    What Can You Do Today!?!

    I'm posting my thread, the good doctor's blog, and the ECA release. I could go ahead and post the raw studies, but I'm not sure anyone would pay attention. Any other ideas of things that we can do Bob?
  2. TheIllustratedMan

    What Can You Do Today!?!

    ooooo... let's make an ARG that has the player countering the FDAs claims at every turn...
  3. TheIllustratedMan

    What Can You Do Today!?!

    whoops, your links are odd: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning/28246-facts-regarding-fda-press-release-7-22-repost.html ECA link is fine. :-D
  4. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Please name an unbiased source who will pay for such a study to be done, and then ask him to go ahead and do it. No matter what, someone is going to say "So and so funded the study, so it skews toward them." The only way you're going to combat that is if Ruyan, Smoore, ECA, end-users, the...
  5. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    Well Spikey, it's a decent editorial, no major crap-ups. I'm not a huge fan of your approach (as you don't seem to be of mine), but I guess we need as many voices speaking in as many ways as we can. In that spirit, well done. -Nate
  6. TheIllustratedMan

    Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

    Jann - It's true! (Well, sort of.) I posted about it here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning/28246-facts-regarding-fda-press-release-7-22-repost.html This should help you understand what they're saying, and take the fear element out of their statement. -Nate
  7. TheIllustratedMan

    Discussion of data presented in FDA material

    The 100 ml you refer to is the inhalation volume. They "inhaled" 100 ml of gas through the device for x number of times (I don't have it in front of me) and then tested that.
  8. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    Here's another table showing levels of Nitrosamines in new tobacco products: http://www.starscientific.com/404/stepanov%20tsna%20in.pdf All of the measurements are in micrograms, so multiply by 1000 to get nanograms (the standard we seem to be dealing with). According to this study...
  9. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Why would they do that? It would give Judge Leon an avenue to rule against them in the SE/Njoy vs FDA case, and take the e-cig out of their regulatory hands. A lot about what's happening here makes no sense to me.
  10. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    This thread is getting unruly.
  11. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    no, as in they blocked out what the method was... the quote is: on page 6 http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf I'm no scientist, but I can't see how this is a scientifically sound study. There's no hypothesis, there's no reason given for testing for...
  12. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    i just dissected the report as best as i could in the other thread. i also noticed that their control was apparently only tested for level of nicotine. also, anyone else notice that one of their methods was redacted?
  13. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    OK.. scouring this damnedable report to figure out what they're trying to say about TSNAs, I *think* that they tested for each one at varied detectable levels. For instance, N-nitrosoanabasine (NAB) was detectable at 21 ppb. They are essentially saying that the Njoy cartridges had at least 141...
  14. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    You've hit it Lacey - My point is that it's irrelevant their reasons for issuing this report. What IS relevant is that it is misleading and irresponsible. Now is the time to counter what they are saying with facts and start fighting for the product that we believe in. Sitting around talking...
  15. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    Re: age - if every supplier could do that, that would be fantastic! Re: the chart - Looks like those values are in micrograms. The Health New Zealand figures are in nanograms. 1 microgram = 1000 nanograms. I'm a little confused as to how you arrived at 0.7684 micrograms for electronic...
  16. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    Good stuff. That's what we need. Let's stay on that target. Thanks OutWest!
  17. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Guys, seriously. It's irrelevant. I could say the same thing about you OutWest. You're a supplier, so obviously the only reason you're trying to keep it out of the FDA's hands is so that you can make money. I'm not trying to insult you, but that's how easy it is to be misconstrued. So...
  18. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    Don- I appreciate your opinion, but we really need to stay on point here. Let's use facts to build our rebuttal, not speculation. As I posted in the other thread, we should develop a standard reply to the children argument and use it as often as they bandy about their claims. My suggestion is...
  19. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Cigarettes fall under the "tobacco product" category, which is under the FDA's jurisdiction thanks to the new law that was just passed (Family Health and Something or Other). The law specifically states that cigarettes cannot be banned, nor can nicotine content be reduced to 0. Electronic...
  20. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    It is a pharmacy, and that's all I'll say.
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