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  1. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    They can't? They're right next to each other in my store. Some of the gum is actually on the sales floor where anyone could grab it. I've always thought it was silly, but apparently the company has permission to do such a thing, since it's planogrammed that way...
  2. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Problem with that argument is that instead of allowing flavored liquid, they take the irony to heart and ban the flavored gum... [EDIT] Our House, I would love to see those stats... however, I would bet that no supplier is going to come forward and say "Yeah, we don't ID" or even "We fired Mr...
  3. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Absolutely it needs to be addressed, but if you can knock holes in their technical stuff with scientific FACT, their argument has already lost credibility, and the subjective things are much easier to argue. In my opinion we need to come up with standard replies to their standard statements and...
  4. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Oh, I'm on top of this. Also, Lacey, please please please don't engage in the "conspiracy" "money trail" talk. As much as you can pull up a chart and say that this guy pays that guy who pays that guy who pays that guy who is putting out this press release, the general public views that as...
  5. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Swap "billion" and "million" in your post and you are correct. :-D
  6. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    I know, but that's not a productive area of conversation. Before yesterday, we needed to focus on getting testing done and getting the product approved. Since the FDA jumped the gun, we need to focus on refuting their claims and advancing the discussion with scientific fact. Note that the...
  7. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Good luck, they're armed with the "it's going to kill you" angle now. So any ill-effects they can say you would have gotten anyway had you pursued your course of action (ie. vaping). Of course, I've already proven that they're full of guff, but that's another story...
  8. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    My understanding is that according to the Health New Zealand report, 1 nanogram/milliliter equals 1 part per billion. Confirmed by http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/water/report/helpfulinformation/concentrations.pdf Anything else I may have missed?
  9. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    oh hell, if you have the table post it there, by all means... i just posted a link to the report
  10. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    Thanks to grimmer255 and OutWest: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf This is the full report. It seems to be (upon preliminary examination) similar to the Health New Zealand study. I take it as actually encouraging (taking into account the amount of TSNAs in...
  11. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Thanks guys, adding it to my thread.
  12. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    grimmer255 - can you reformat that so that it's readable in table format and re-post it here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning/28246-facts-regarding-fda-press-release-7-22-repost.html that would be awesome. -Nate
  13. TheIllustratedMan

    Facts regarding the FDA Press Release - 7/22 (repost)

    I'm going to go ahead an repost this here, because I think that it's incredibly important to have figures and facts when debating this issue. First we have the press release (thanks Krakken): Next is the FDA Safety Alert: Some portions of that are debatable. Some are not. Here are the...
  14. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Thank you Rob. Please please please use it however you can. I plan on drafting a letter to my representatives based around it. If someone else wants to do the same and make a form letter that we can all use, that would be cool. I've cracked the beers, so I'm not sure I'm good for it tonight. :-D...
  15. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    Thanks. I feel better after getting that typed. It's going to get lost here though... what can we do to get it posted somewhere prominent? Put it in its own thread and sticky it?
  16. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    OK, I was not home earlier, but now I am, and have had a chance to let this all settle. There are a lot of things that I could say here, but I'm just going to put out the facts. Regarding Diethylene Glycol: Looking at the Health New Zealand study1, the presence of Diethylene Glycol was not...
  17. TheIllustratedMan

    Fda news release

    I'm as mad as I've ever been. More later.
  18. TheIllustratedMan

    Intellicig Evo [Help with atomizer!]

    The bridge of the atomizer (that metal mesh that sticks out) doesn't get very hot at all. It's really just a metal wick that brings the liquid out of the polyfill and into the atomizer. Make sure that if you're using carts the bridge is in contact with the polyfill at all times, or else you...
  19. TheIllustratedMan

    anyone try the pink crystal Dlight cig?

    Something similar: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/20913-can-you-say-bling-bling.html People had some success making their own, specifically: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/20913-can-you-say-bling-bling-4.html#post369381...
  20. TheIllustratedMan

    Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

    You're misinterpreting - I did the same thing for a bit. The "ban" isn't really a declared ban on electronic cigarettes. There is already a ban on unapproved products, and the electronic cigarette falls into that category, according to the FDA. If the case swings in favor of the FDA, it doesn't...
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