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  1. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Don't forget that in the US, smoking bans can be far more wide-reaching than they are here - beaches, parks etc. Generally in the UK if you're in an outdoor public place you can smoke (and vape) - in the US that's not necessarily true (someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the NYC ban...
  2. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Rapidly diminishing environments, GM. And that tooth fairy can have my body parts any day :D
  3. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Do you really think Joe Public is going to form an opinion on vaping based on science and facts? Do you think your average non-smoking citizen will care? Their attitude towards vaping will be formed by - y'know - meeting vapers out in the world. And if the only place they ever see someone...
  4. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Well observed ;) but I read enough to see that any observations made by those two should be treated with a healthy dose of scepticism. As I mentioned to Tinkiegrrl, it's a minefield - the more you look the more damning statistics you'll find from both sides. And since I'm rather more interested...
  5. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    It's a road without end Tinkiegrrl - the deeper you dig, the more you end up questioning both sides - they're equally guilty of manipulating the results to get statistics that benefit their own agendas.
  6. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    It was the only part I had an issue with :) And no - it'll become a law because vapers allow it to become a law. There's already moves under way to prevent you from vaping responsibly where you think it's appropriate - stealth vaping, vaping only where smoking is permitted won't prevent that...
  7. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Sorry, but from what I'm seeing (and honestly, I don't see any point of wading any deeper into these murky waters) it's a case of 'believe whatever you want to believe' - because whatever the truth is, nobody out there is telling it.
  8. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    And you trust the people at no-smoke and ASH not to have an agenda here? I read the PDF and yeah - their research has been sponsored by BT but then again, research debunking these guys has been done by Stanton Glantz who seems to me like a pathological liar for the ANTZ. There's nothing there...
  9. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    James E Enstrom, researcher - School of Public Health, University of California, Los Angeles Geoffrey C Kabat, associate professor - Department of Preventive Medicine, State University of New York, Stony Brook, NY Unfortunately, from what I can see, their main detractor is: James L. Repace...
  10. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Actually, I guess the right word is freedoms - there are many things in life that aren't legislated against and this is where our freedom lies - until recently, vaping was one of our freedoms. Yeah - that bugs me immensely - but there's no law against it (good luck getting someone busted for...
  11. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    My personal perspective is that what I'm doing is no more offensive or harmful to someone than breathing - the only difference being that they can see it. They're free to fart, belch, have hygiene issues, halitosis and poor taste in fragrances around me but there's people seriously suggesting...
  12. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Assuming no regulations or laws are in place, they do have a right to vape wherever they choose to - they're not smokers.
  13. AegisPrime

    New to Vaping, but very pleased with my MVP 2.0

    The MVP really does seem to be the best deal in vaping atm - the only reason not to get one is if you're saving up for a ProVari, SvoeMesto or DNA 20 device...
  14. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Again, I'm gonna respectfully disagree here :D That was the attitude taken of the MEPs working on the EU legislation and sadly what they've come up with is far from satisfactory. The claimed it was a victory and I see it as 'less of a defeat than it could've been'. Any MEPs that see the...
  15. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    A few corrections regarding the UK here: From everything we've seen from ministers there's no evidence of the UK government wanting a ban - they do however intend to regulate e-cigarettes as medical devices and the EU legislation permits them to do that. That doesn't strictly mean that they'll...
  16. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    Haven't tried it yet but wow! At that price I'm definitely going to! Thanks! :)
  17. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    I love you guys really :D
  18. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    I'm sure GM can fight his own battles, but personally I think you're wrong about him - he seems a lot more conservative and less cynical than someone like myself and in a way I envy that. I'd love to see the world through less jaded eyes but that's no longer how I see things. I find his comments...
  19. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    I'm going to get into mixing my own soon - I can get enough nic/PG/VG and flavourings to make 100ml for around £20 ($33) - cheaper if I buy in bulk - I'm learning to recoil my devices too so I'll be saving money there as well - my intent is to vape my brains out for under £1 ($1.65) per day :D
  20. AegisPrime

    Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

    If they tax e-cigs *any* higher than the current rates, I'm gonna struggle :( I was spending £2 a day ($3.30) on tobacco but now I'm spending £1.40 per day on e-liquid ($2.30) - if they raise the tax to even half of what tobacco is here it's going to cost more than smoking.
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