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    FDA Common misconceptions about FDA regulations ( I hope CASAA will address at some point in the next few weeks)

    We could just sing. There's an old worker's song that springs to mind. Know it? Catchy tune: Housewife's Lament One day I was walking, I heard a complaining And saw an old woman the picture of gloom She gazed at the mud on her doorstep ('twas raining) And this was her song as she wielded...
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    FDA Am i the only one who thinks SOME of the proposals are sane?

    I think some regs sound quite sane - that's actually the problem (one of them). Many of us wouldn't object to mandated ingredient listing, for instance, if reasonably enforced (in a manner that didn't crush small vendors) and accompanied by the friendly withdrawal of much more egregious...
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    What should we be calling it? What do you call it?

    My Preciousssssssssssssssssssss... :D
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    FDA So where is the outcry from the vendors?

    Then we can, just, like, you know, all get along? :unsure:
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    FDA So where is the outcry from the vendors?

    Dev, I didn't actually say anything about a need to regulate nicotine one way or the other and support nothing beyond mandating simple labeling and childproofing. I think it's self-regulating (no fun to OD; no one eats cigarettes and people take their own chances on smoking them - and they're...
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    FDA So where is the outcry from the vendors?

    I disagree with most of that. Vehemently. Which is not to the point. My point was that comments like that are divisive in here, and to take the bait and argue it with you, which I most certainly could, would be counter-productive. I guess no way to get you guys to give it a rest, oh well.
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    FDA Common misconceptions about FDA regulations ( I hope CASAA will address at some point in the next few weeks)

    Oh for Pete's sake. I'm a passionate, long-time, politically educated, active progressive liberal. I want federal oversight on many things, including things that prevent oversight by and intrusion of right-wing interests. Not going to get into that in here, because it's unproductive. I want big...
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    FDA So where is the outcry from the vendors?

    For those who imagine that small vendor products are somehow less safe than the ones that BT is protecting with this regulatory scam (that's what this is all about) - really? From the folks who bring you Marlboros? You prefer pink slime to a donut baked in your local bakery's ovens? They can't...
  9. aubergine

    Are we winning?

    PLEASE read Bill Godshall's excellent objection in the thread next door. It's really unhelpful to spread false security here without understanding this legislation. Wishes aren't horses.
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    Bill Godshall urges opposition to FDA deeming reg at FDLI conference because it would give e-cig industry to Big Tobacco

    Thanks as always, Bill. The actual implications of this legislation aren't being disseminated in the media very well, and even a lot of folks in here have been pretty sanguine, thinking that its impact would be negligible. So long as that misperception is in play we'll lack the 'public outrage'...
  11. aubergine

    FDA Proposed regulation is available

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    FDA Proposed regulation is available

    YOU GUYS? You are missing something awfully important I think? Smokey Joe is an old, smart vet and doesn't speak lightly. Not sure, but as I read it this is correct. READ BELOW. A month after the bill passes, um... ? (Note that the tobacco companies, which produce a limited and highly...
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    FDA Proposed regulation is available

    !!Wait.!! According to Dr Siegal (http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/04/fdas-proposed-electronic-cigarette.html) : "3. The regulations require pre-approval or substantial equivalence determinations of almost all existing electronic cigarette products. This provision is going to wreak...
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    Are we winning?

    No. Big tobacco is winning.
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    FDA Proposed regulation is available

    Small businesses can't afford to sue the FDA. Tobacco industry won't need to.
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    FDA Proposed regulation is available

    This is all about giving the burgeoning e-cig biz to the tobacco companies; it's basically their bill. It's about money, not anyone's health. To those who want more regulation, you trust the careful and compassionate people who add thousands of chemicals to already-harmful cigarette tobacco to...
  17. aubergine

    How many years WERE you a analog smoker?

    Forty+ years a chain-smoker. Do I win the prize? Vaping for @5 years (constantly), also now running, working out with ease, singing (no more hoarseness), leaping and frolicking healthily and all the good stuff. Doc says my lungs now sound like I never smoked.They sure feel that way. And they...
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    Best gourmet ejuice vendors

    Yeah, bingo I think. I just went back and perused a bit more - everything shows up here: vendors who have been around for years and that I consider run-of-the-mill-artificial-taste-city at best; respectable and popular but not extraordinary ones that have had some deserved popularity; high...
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    Best gourmet ejuice vendors

    I'm late to this thread and I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere back there, but what are the agreed upon criteria for "gourmet" vape? Flavorings in the mix other than the usual brands used by vendors? (How do you know - as few vendors are specifically transparent about that?) More...
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    NYT Article, 11/10/13

    Front page NYT article, add your comments to the discussion there. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/world/europe/aided-by-army-of-vapers-e-cigarette-industry-woos-and-wins-europe.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp
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