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  1. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Yeah. It should definitely be a moderated thread - there have been plenty of threads attempting to list juices that the thread-starter believes are 'healthier' - a lot extrapolate from food preferences like 'organic', 'natural', 'kosher'... and even 'diacetyl free' They usually disseminate a lot...
  2. aubergine

    FDA George Mason’s Michael Marlow sends comment to FDA severely criticizing agency’s analysis of proposed deeming reg

    That's about the best opposition paper I've seen; spot on and excellent. I'm feeling less pessimistic lately (and unexpectedly) - might be in error but it just seems that there's a lot of well-prepared push-back from a lot of corners, more informed media pieces (that's a very low bar, but still)...
  3. aubergine

    Ahlusion E-Juice Part 3

    Bukket, my eldest daughter is my best vaping buddy and an Ahlusion fan - we've been at it since 2010. The other 2 girls never did smoke, but eldest was rolling toward becoming the chimney that I was... isn't it great to be able to suggest such a great option? And best wishes with the back!
  4. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    I contacted my go-to vendor. He readily disclosed the name of the external lab that tests his e-liquid and described the level of analysis (thanks to Kurt for knowing what to ask about and look for). He's long said that nothing enters his production line unless Diketone free. There's now a...
  5. aubergine

    Big Tobacco,You Have Been Warned.

    Kent (edit: not Kurt, typo, apologies), I don't mean to insult you personally or to demonize champions of civil liberties in any way - I'm an old soldier on that front, in fact. An argument is not a "tactic" or a personal attack. I agree that those who would in most or all cases subordinate...
  6. aubergine

    Big Tobacco,You Have Been Warned.

    (Jman, NO one in that thread is arguing that their preferred response to the real or perceived risk of toxins in e-cig liquid should become government mandate. And cross-posting, even if not of identical comments, is confusing.) edit: Crossposting is the wrong term.
  7. aubergine

    Big Tobacco,You Have Been Warned.

    You're arguing against an extreme that I don't represent, Kent (from an opposite extreme). That's easy, but facile. I'd be interested in your response to the article that I linked, which I think points out the problems with extremist thinking on both sides. And now I'm going to have a walk in...
  8. aubergine

    Big Tobacco,You Have Been Warned.

    Your point is well taken, Kent, and of course represents one side of a tension between individual rights and public health that's been raging since the early 19th century (and more generally well before public health became much of a government issue). As a psychotherapist I ran up against it...
  9. aubergine

    Big Tobacco,You Have Been Warned.

    Vaping won't be vulnerable to such lawsuits at all for the simple reason that vaping, unless we have all been terribly mistaken, will not kill people. It's very arguable that anyone who chooses to smoke, given the very clear evidence that smoking is heavily implicated in disabling and fatal...
  10. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    If a (midsize) vendor is paying a great deal more than that per sample, which some apparently do, what is he likely paying for?
  11. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
  12. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Someone just shot me an interesting question: Since diacetyl occurs naturally in fruits and other food stuffs, and is a compound involved with ripening and other plant processes (right?), does that mean it is possible for an 'organic'* flavoring to create diacetyl as it ages, though it may have...
  13. aubergine

    Ahlusion E-Juice Part 3

    I've been mixing Car-Mal Mambo with everything this week, just for fun. Haven't found a flavor it doesn't work with. Didn't see that coming. I'm feeling especially grateful to Wlad for being conscientious about toxins (been hanging out in Dr Farsalinos thread upstairs there discussing the new...
  14. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Misread something - never mind. Sorry. :)
  15. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Here's my very rapid response from VapeMate: "(Greeting) That's an interesting thread. I had seen something on the WackedOut Forum saying there was an ECF thread going but I hadn't looked at it until now. The testing, for the items we are currently testing, runs $215 USD, per sample. We...
  16. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Thanks vangrl! I'd seen those figures but hadn't put it together where they came from or how the analysis was done.
  17. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Thanks, Kent, I should have provided the link. Just shot this off to VapeMates, members of ECITA, mentioned in a post above. ECITA seems to make stronger claims about testing specifically for d&a than does AEMSA, though that might be a matter of language. Hi Guys, I've been posting in a thread...
  18. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    (One reason why I'm so on this is that I want vaping to show stats like that when longitudinal studies come in. Anything that we can do internally toward that is a very good thing, IMHO. The FDA might make my concern moot, but until/unless that happens, it matters.)
  19. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    I'll only respond to one thing you said, Jman, because although I don't buy a number of your arguments I'm mostly trying to ascertain what the cost of testing would be and if it's even feasible for vendors to test, whether or not we agree that they should (and that can certainly be resolved in a...
  20. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    I'd be satisfied with the margin of error involved in an analysis like the one we're discussing here. And it's the existence of the analysis that I'm talking about proving definitively. Sorry if that wasn't clear. If you really want to get carried away you could point out that lab certs can be...
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