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  1. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Thanks. How burdensome would you think it'd be for a vendor to perform that analysis adequately - just a rough ballpark, if that's possible - either in-house if there's an adequate lab, or sent out, per flavor? How much money per flavor, how much time? We know what the FDA estimates for what I...
  2. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    What would be definitive proof reasonable to request from a vendor? I think only a copy of lab cert, per flavor or relevant portion, would be adequate. My go-to vendor supplies these, but only to wholesale buyers. What think you? (I'm not asking this because I want to charge anyone with fraud...
  3. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Just a wonderfully clarifying and straightforward response, Kurt - thanks so very much for weighing in.
  4. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    To imply from those words that I hate to say the truth in the sense that we both know you mean is over the top. What I hate is the truth of this particular situation, wherein a proposed regulation is deeply corrupted by cynical interest that doesn't serve anyone's health. I don't extend that...
  5. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    You know exactly what you're doing there, Kent, and I'm NOT going to rise to the bait, though I surely would like to argue that one, and at great, insufferable length. Gawd, give 'em an inch, they take a mile. :) :)
  6. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    They have big factory labs. They've had shipments held up, cargo seized, cartos tested and indicted by the FDA for diacetyl (in minute quantity). They sell massive volume. They have incentive. I want a hot dog and some of those french fries marinated in trans-fats and a double shot. I eat...
  7. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    You know what I bet? I bet that the "cleanest" juice is gonna be Chinese. I hate that stuff, tastes artificial, like chemicals. That cracks me up. A little punchy, ya think?
  8. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    (ed. - posted simultaneously with Kent, and not as succinctly. I often disagree with you, Kent, but yeah. And there are the courts, I use "law" too narrowly here. ) Just some thoughts. 1. I'm not persuaded that d & a-free e-liquid is bland or distasteful. The vendor that I use is quite popular...
  9. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    It strikes me that vendors with good results can surely make that known. Tell me if I'm mistaken.
  10. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Thanks very much for the clarification, Dr Farsalino and thanks to others for raising very good points. I think we'd mostly agree that the good outcome here would be to see the science used responsibly by vendors and the vaping community to eliminate avoidable risk and not seized and wildly...
  11. aubergine

    NY Times article on flavored e-cigs and huge photo of 20 flavored e-liquids cover front page of Business section

    Back atcha. I like your baseball bat. :D
  12. aubergine

    NY Times article on flavored e-cigs and huge photo of 20 flavored e-liquids cover front page of Business section

    I'm starting to feel a bit pedantic here, but they close all comments sections after a day or two, otherwise they couldn't moderate such huge volume. I hate the Times on e-cigs, but they're not being all sinister in their comments policy. They're being all sinister in letting Matt publish his...
  13. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    rolygate: I think science is science, or should be, and therefore who it benefits is not a factor. Agreed, despite some differences with rolygate on this one. My like button seems to be broken. :)
  14. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

  15. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    1. True. A study that determined whether the makeup of diacetyl is different when carried in ecig liquid would be the only way to clear that up. Is there any indication that that's the case? I'm no chemist. 2. True. Drinking gallons of liquor will kill you, too. But again, chain smokers who...
  16. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    Racehorse, of course this has been discussed in ECF forever, and of course the entities with a stake in hurting the ecig business know about it. Assuming that they have done their own testing, and not published their findings, I think it's fair to assume that they understand that indicting...
  17. aubergine

    Donate to Dr Farsalinos' new study

    In comparison to cigarettes, these are low quantities. It would follow that cigarette smokers, for whom we have much longitudinal data, would have developed the "popcorn lung" syndrome associated with diacetyl if inhalation of those higher amounts were indicated in that. There's no incidence of...
  18. aubergine

    Does a Tiramisu juice exist?

    Ahlusion's Tirimisu is one of my top goto juices. Def give it a try!
  19. aubergine

    NY Times article on flavored e-cigs and huge photo of 20 flavored e-liquids cover front page of Business section

    Actually, they do. It's moderated for the sort of things that ECF is and is unusually civil. (It's not moderated for opinion content, just obscenity, insult, the trolling things.) Comments & Readers' Reviews - The New York Times I'm not promoting the Times here, just tidying up. :)
  20. aubergine

    NY Times article on flavored e-cigs and huge photo of 20 flavored e-liquids cover front page of Business section

    (Here's the Times, or an op-ed anyway, in Dec. 2013: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/09/opinion/the-case-for-tolerating-e-cigarettes.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3As%2C{%221%22%3A%22RI%3A6%22} ) And one of those gold badges on comment #1.
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