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  1. markarich159

    The Anti-Diacetyl Meeting Room

    Diacetyl - Medpedia Read the bibliography of this page , it contains all the major studies done up to 2008 and there has been at least one more major peer-reveiwed study since then. Where is your study for the levels of diacteyl in e-liquid? So now you WANT studies; any other time...
  2. markarich159

    The Anti-Diacetyl Meeting Room

    Just re-read that last paragraph and think about what you said. If your job is to just keep the product itself available; then logically; your primary focus of interest is the industry/ suppliers. From your subforum: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/76645-attention-suppliers.html...
  3. markarich159

    The Anti-Diacetyl Meeting Room

    Wow, obviously you haven't seen any of the several studies(and these ARE peer reviewed ones) about the dangers of inhaling diacetyl - to imply this is MY opinion shows a basic lack of how the scientific process works. And your description of CASAA sounds more like the description of what the...
  4. markarich159

    The Anti-Diacetyl Meeting Room

    I have to agree, I've read the post in question and the position in regards to diacetyl(especially coming from a CASAA rep -i.e vaping CONSUMER advocate- seems very supplier side friendly) is internally and contextually inconsistent as well as somewhat disturbing. Phrases like Think of it this...
  5. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Go to the certificate site, the MSDS's(unfortunately they only list a few flavors) not only list the ingredients BUT also appear to be done by SGS(a reputable french independent certification authority) - If this is legit, it bodes well for Dekang(at least for those flavors)
  6. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    It's hard to pinpoint because symptoms can develop gradually over many months or severe symptoms can occur suddenly(certainly in either case, this is MUCH faster them most COPD conditions such as Chronic Bronchitis or Emphysema). Also, it's important to note, people usually present only after...
  7. markarich159

    Starting a LIST of diacetyl-free ejuice suppliers. Please, keep to JUST listing the supplier names!

    I have no problem with this thread as long as there is a disclaimer posted in the OP that says something like this: Short of actually supplying independent lab certification(not a manufacturer supplied MSDS or a letter from the vendor's flavor supplier indicating diacetyl free flavor - an...
  8. markarich159

    The Anti-Diacetyl Meeting Room

    This is why I minimally post anymore. This is the absolute craziest industry I've ever seen - and it could be so genuinely rewarding and freeing for smokers IF people actually (as Roly stated in the other thread) started looking and honestly addressing the few 600 pound elephants in the room. It...
  9. markarich159

    The Anti-Diacetyl Meeting Room

    Welcome to my world for the past year.
  10. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Well all those CAPITAL LETTERS got me convinced. The "other possible way that I can spell this out" as Roly pointed out would be a certified, properly conducted lab test result.
  11. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    The substances vapor pressure at said temperature would be more important than the boiling point in considering if and how much is entering the gaseous phase.(boiling point is defined as that temperature at which a substances vapor pressure matches the ambient atmospheric pressure). So just...
  12. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Exactly SimpleSins, this is explained as well in the link I provided above. You would expect to see more lower respiratory(brochiolar/alveolar) damage to human respiratory tissue as compared to upper respiratory damage in mice/rat models due to anatomical differences.
  13. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Why would the Oropharyngeal aspiration subgroup in this study be interesting as it pertains to vapers? It is the furthest method of diacetyl exposure(of the mice groups studies) from vaping. Oropharyngeal aspiration means they put the mice to sleep and actually, aspirated liquid diacetyl...
  14. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    of the USA made, homebrew type, very little comparitively. Remember, for the majority of time vaping has existed, 90% of eliquid has come from one source, Dekang.
  15. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    @ AttyPops ; Unfortunately, "the numbers" on this matter are far from settled. Besides the fact that several different toxic inhalation ppm's are quoted in different available diacetly study data; There is no way to correctly extrapolate ppm in liquid form to ppm in the vapor/gaseous...
  16. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Unbelievable. No comment.
  17. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Then they don't deserve to be in this market and certainly don't deserve anybody's hard earned money.
  18. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Wow, this thread really took off!!! Anyway, I know your not too fond of the FDA Roly, but they did get at least one part of their cGMP right. The fact that chemical companies can and do lie is the reason FDA requires pharma companies(who must follow cGMP) to not just take THEIR supplier's COA...
  19. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Great Point GoodDog. A really good trade organization for the vaping industry is what is needed here in the US(as ECITA is in the UK)as a start(kind of like what ECA was supposed to be at one point). This trade industry would be responsible for looking out for the consumer and reigning in...
  20. markarich159

    Ask your favorite suppliers to remove diacetyl from their e-liquids!

    Or, if you're in the US, buy Dekang exclusively from a supplier you implicitly trust is not selling you a knock off Dekang. I've seen the MSDS's from DK and neither Diacetyl nor 2,3-butanedione are listed. I've also seen it mentioned on ECF before that(I believe it was Sun Vaporer) the main...
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