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    EU TPD vote: Europe has fallen - Big Money has triumphed

    It's depressing. Thanks to whoever posted details of the vote further up-thread. Not one of my MEPs (Scotland) voted against this piece of crap, in spite of my many emails to them. The only "result" is that George Lyon abstained. Some MEPs said they'd had an enormous volumne of...
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    EU TPD vote: Europe has fallen - Big Money has triumphed

    Our "frog's-legs-flavour vaping" :tongue: friends are on the case already, promising a legal challenge as soon as this passes into French law: Régulation outrancière des e-cigarettes par les instances européennes : dès sa transposition en droit national, elle sera contestée en justice ! I...
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    EU TPD vote: Europe has fallen - Big Money has triumphed

    Please comment on this (if you haven't already) pointing out how wrong Luna is. I can't find this report at all - do you have a link?
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    EU TPD vote: Europe has fallen - Big Money has triumphed

    That was actually my take on what it must feel like to be Clive Bates reading through all this EU crap - rather than his actual words! (it's bad enough just being a grunt vaper - so this is a kind of appreciation of what Clive Bates has been doing for us!) Though I'm sure he's too polite to...
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    EU TPD vote: Europe has fallen - Big Money has triumphed

    Clive Bates is yer man on this subject: MEPs – do you really want to vote for this? « The counterfactual That's a kind of executive summary, with only the most hideously nonsensical parts of the TPD emphasised. Look back through his blog history to find more detail on this *&$£(*&!~~#?(*"£...
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    Letter from Clive Bates to the BMA following BBC radio debate

    You might try contacting the Redhead Full of Steam - she's either very good at that kind of thing, or knows someone who is, judging by the very slick graphic about EU regs on her blog recently.
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    EU TPD vote: Europe has fallen - Big Money has triumphed

    Stand by for endless arguments from authority by the jubilant* ANTZ: "well the EU have heavily restricted e-cigarettes..... [hidden premise: the EU is any kind of competent authority]". *I was going to say "joyful", but that's just not something that should ever be written in the same sentence...
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    Letter from Clive Bates to the BMA following BBC radio debate

    Great to see this. The BMA's party line has enormous influence in the UK. Every organisation that wants to ban vaping on its premises (e.g. rail companies) quotes it as justification. I've seen so much effort put in over the last few months in the media by pro-vapers (Clive Bates, of course...
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    Whats your ideas on age verification and are E-cigs gonna end up in bed with BT

    I completely agree here. Legal age-restrictions are all over the place and long-established all over the world - think alcohol, or entry into alcohol-serving premises. And anyone involved in enforcing these restrictions knows full well that while these restrictions work pretty well, no age...
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    New Book: Co-Dir. of UK's NHS Centre for Smoking Cessation embraces vaping as THR

    Very interesting and heartening article. The most sane part - to me - is this: Also, his comment on e-cigs being "like buying a mobile phone - find one that suits you" is very sane. All this is a million miles away from the all-too-usual false dichotomy argument, according to which e-cigs...
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    Why are ecig articles such BS??

    Fantastic analysis by Roger Lafayette! I agree, we've got to hit back, in the comments and letters. And I agree with the OP - as soon as I see an article about e-cigs in the media, I :facepalm: as a protective measure before even reading it, because I know I'll be :facepalm: :facepalm...
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    EU EFVI - European Free Vaping Initiative

    Love the cartoons! Attempt at English translation of the last one: "- Whaddya mean my Marketing Authorisation? I don't have one of those! I'm DIY, 100% Made in France. (And I feel bloody stupid with that gigantic atty. What is it with everyone and my getup these days?) - I don't want to...
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    EU Joint letter by scientists to the European Commission.

    Fantastic! Article 18 was so stuffed with utter nonsense; it's great to see scientists refuting it. :vapor: Now let's just hope they pay any attention....
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    Chicago Tribune opposing articles 01-15-14

    Lisa66, um, I don't know how to say this. I want to thank you for posting this information so that I didn't have to find a way through a paywall..... but....... it's........... GLANTZ! I can't select the text to quote and attempt to even start analysing Stan-the-Gland's beyond-Euclidean...
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    E-Cigs: The New Gateway Drug?!

    Fantastically well put. The real gateway drug is lying. Lying about "gateway drugs" is an admission that the person talking doesn't really know what they're talking about; but they have to be seen to be doing something, so they fling any old propaganda at the "problem". And once you accept...
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    EU Efvi initiative-the big one ! !

    Done! Quick and easy to do.
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    The BMJ-"Hold the line against Tobacco"

    It was.... thanks! I tried posting a comment on the BMJ piece as well - don't know if it'll get published.
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    The BMJ-"Hold the line against Tobacco"

    "Science must be protected from ideologies; and societies, especially democratic societies, must be protected from science" (Paul Feyerabend, introduction to Against Method) I wish this rude genius was still around; I'd pay good money to hear what he might say about Tobacco Control. Ironic...
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    Marys Letter to CCWA

    That letter is simply superb. Thanks for posting it!
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    Dont believe the Hype-E Cigarettes wont ruin society, they changed my life-The Guardian

    Glad you liked the Institute of I Just Made It Up I mispelled the acronym, though. It should be IOIJMIU. Not IOIJMTU, that's the entirely separate Institute of I Just Made THIS Up. It's so hard to keep your "facts" straight when you're just making them up. How do the ANTZ manage it?
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