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  1. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    We really do need the agencies to come around, otherwise we’re all crazy people railing against the FDA and CDC.
  2. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    I was unclear. I meant the cop out is from them. Not being actively against vaping(not signing letters) is nowhere near being pro vaping. Your original phrasing that “all support” has come from Republicans, plus two democrats just struck me as off. Since there were two democrats, it wasn’t all...
  3. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    That sounds like a cop out. First you can’t say only republicans and then throw in plus two democrats. I will be the first to admit that the dems are the ones attacking vaping, but not signing a letter attacking vaping is a long way from supporting it. Also, the administration controls the...
  4. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    I don’t understand why vaping doesn’t have more political support from Republican politicians. It is virtually a republican wet dream. Personal freedoms, over regulation that is demonstrably hurting an industry and American workers and business owners, and there is actual science to prove it...
  5. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    Not bans, but there are regulations that touch all of the things you mentioned, such as licenses for sky diving instructors to electrical codes for home wiring. Most of those things would be some form of interaction between two people, like an electrician wiring your house, or someone making...
  6. Lessifer

    How many watts do you vape at? (2018)

    15-20w usually.
  7. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    If you read the letters the FDA sent to the companies, and I admit it's not easy reading, they're not even accusing the majority of them of marketing directly to children. The point of that statement from the FDA is that kids may find those liquids and drink them, thinking they are...
  8. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    We did lose a major battle. I don't think we've lost the war. I do wholeheartedly believe that we're not fighting on the right front. Vaping can't be both the hero saving a billion lives AND the boogieman that parents need to protect their children from. Right now, the general public, and many...
  9. Lessifer

    AVA APPLAUDS ACTION, BUT WARNS AGENCIES AGAINST DECLARING WAR ON FLAVORED VAPING PRODUCTS

    So, the AVA just told the world that the vapor industry engages in predatory marketing, neat.
  10. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    No, I'm not okay with that because I'm assuming they didn't get permission to use the character, or to have a similar name. If they did, I'm actually perfectly okay with it. My issue would be the legal IP/Copyright/Trademark thing. I'm an adult, I'm creeping up on 40, I like cartoons. I'm...
  11. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    Because as you said yourself, they'll ALWAYS find something else to complain about. They will always move the goalposts because their goal is to reduce the vaping industry to something easily regulated and taxed. This should not come as a surprise to anyone, this thread was started May 5, 2016...
  12. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    Because the vaping industry suffers from battered spouse syndrome. They call it tobacco, but that's okay, really they're just trying to save it from pharmaceutical regulations. Maybe if we limit the nicotine content they'll accept us. Maybe if we don't have packaging that can be considered as...
  13. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    I still don't see how we fight BS by saying that it's true. I just read the statement by the AVA... does anyone really think those companies are targeting children? Being dumb about IP and copyrights, sure, but "predatory marketing?" Really?
  14. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    They're stepping up enforcement, right? I foresee a lot of sting operations, lots of gas stations and convenience stores getting letters/fines. Hopefully no vape shops will be dumb enough to ignore the laws. Of course it will all fall under "tobacco retailers selling to minors." Juul is just a...
  15. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    I agree, that juice box package is stupid. Here's the thing, there is no nuance. When the line is imaginary, it moves depending on who is looking at it. They are accusing JUUL of advertising to kids ffs.
  16. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    Does anyone really think they’ll stop at packaging? If they use the same BS argument against flavors as they do against packaging, what will the defense be?
  17. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    The point is, the argument that kids are being tricked into trying e-liquid because of the packaging is ridiculous, once you actually take a minute to think about it, which I know is a lot to ask these days. How do we fight? With the truth, and by pointing out how ridiculous it is, until...
  18. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    How young would a child have to be to actually confuse a juice box with a "juice" box? How old do you have to be to buy e-liquid again? Where do you usually find e-liquid like that? How much BS are you willing to eat before you start fighting back, instead of trying to squeak by?
  19. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    Yup, they got rid of Joe Camel and just like that, all the underage smoking disappeared along with all the calls to end underage smoking. Yes, cartoon labels can be held up by politicians as examples. Guess what, I’ve seen/heard them do it without the labels too. If we don’t fight the...
  20. Lessifer

    CNN hit piece on teen vaping epidemic

    I’m fairly certain Rossum has a large enough stockpile that he’ll never pay the taxes they’ve already placed on vaping.
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