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  1. Lessifer

    Delay the FDA, Citizen Petition on Regulations.gov, what's the deal?

    I know, and for the most part I've gotten the same. We have the science on our side. Unfortunately, policy is not based on science, even though it should be. They have the moral outrage of "protect the children" and, IMO, we're not doing enough to fight that. Even then, we need the moral...
  2. Lessifer

    Should ecf encourage vaping among neversmokers?

    That seems like a bit of a loaded question. Slightly less loaded would be: Should ecf discourage vaping among neversmokers? Of course, ecf doesn't do anything, so: Should ecf members discourage vaping among neversmokers? I don't encourage, I don't discourage, if someone asks a question, I...
  3. Lessifer

    The Womper Woom, Womp it again Sam.

    How does the 2ml limit work for squonk mods, or does it just refer to the capacity of the atomizer, which in the case of an RDA is almost always less than 2ml?
  4. Lessifer

    Delay the FDA, Citizen Petition on Regulations.gov, what's the deal?

    We need that public uproar on our side. Not just vaper uproar. We need everyone who knows someone who will be affected by this, on our side, marching alongside us. All we ever reach are those who are already on our side.
  5. Lessifer

    Delay the FDA, Citizen Petition on Regulations.gov, what's the deal?

    I thought my question was pretty clear. What do you think the likelihood of success is? I didn't say anything about not attempting it, in fact I said a few posts ago that I added my comments as well.
  6. Lessifer

    Delay the FDA, Citizen Petition on Regulations.gov, what's the deal?

    So, in your expert opinion, what is the likelihood the FDA will agree to delay enforcement until it finalizes guidance that it has no intention of finalizing, as evidenced by the fact that after six years they have yet to finalize the cigarette guidance?
  7. Lessifer

    Delay the FDA, Citizen Petition on Regulations.gov, what's the deal?

    There is this idea in the vaping community that the FDA is being completely "unfair" to us, when in reality, they are treating us exactly the same as they are all other tobacco products. The only difference is that sweet grandfather deal that the cigarette companies got, which let them keep...
  8. Lessifer

    Delay the FDA, Citizen Petition on Regulations.gov, what's the deal?

    I added my comment to this when I saw the CTA from CASAA, on FB, because attack from any and every angle and all that. I can't say I'm enthused about this one though. If I understand it correctly, what they're saying is that the FDA should suspend enforcement until the FDA releases FINAL...
  9. Lessifer

    The Womper Woom, Womp it again Sam.

    I think I tried adjusting the 510 in the frank, but it was too tight to turn without a lot of effort so I left it alone, didn't want to compromise the connection. I have one atty that will work with it, so if I really want to use it I can. It's tiny, and that's nice, but I don't like pocketing...
  10. Lessifer

    The Womper Woom, Womp it again Sam.

    Howdy folks. I think I may have missed something as to why everyone left, but I'm happy to see people stopping back in. I've been enjoying my new coppervapes bf mod and odis o-atty clone. I got the frankenskull clone too, and it's nice, but the lack of button lock and the fact that not all of...
  11. Lessifer

    Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

    I actually read the original reports when the teen died and the cause of death is not "caffeine overdose" and the medical examiner was very careful not to word it that way. As with most things, it's not that simple. Yes, he consumed a large amount of caffeine, but depending on which energy drink...
  12. Lessifer

    Long time Member but kinda forgot about ECF...

    Welcome back, what kind of atomizer are you using? Did you want suggestions for better liquids, or how to get better flavor out of what you have?
  13. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    I believe nicotine is not addictive, or at least not any more "addictive" than caffeine. I believe that cigarettes and tobacco are addictive, and that nicotine may play a role when consumed in conjunction with other compounds in tobacco. Here's the thing, if it's true that first time...
  14. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    Just putting this here for now, this is my first post on the subject of nicotine dependence in this thread.
  15. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    Which is why we have to rely on studies on nicotine that focus on things other than addiction, like treatment for tourette's, and the observation that the non-smoker's in these studies did not develop dependence on nicotine. Makes for less than ideal sample sizes, but it's what we have.
  16. Lessifer

    FDA "Health" Groups Urge Price & Gottlieb to Move Forward with Deeming Regs

    In the current climate, none will support it, just as very few will stick up for vaping at all. My point is that the reason for that is we(smokers/vapers) will always lose compared to "children." It's not about lifting the age restriction, it's about fighting the idea that the age restriction...
  17. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    I'd wager(though I can't prove at the moment as researching each article will take a lot of time) that most, if not all, of the human studies that that literature review in the first link is based on were conducted on smokers for the dependent group.
  18. Lessifer

    FDA "Health" Groups Urge Price & Gottlieb to Move Forward with Deeming Regs

    I call BS because of this line right here, there are VERY few products that carry an age restriction. There are a multitude of products that are definitively harmful to the consumer, some in the short term, some in the long term, and people as a whole couldn't care less if an uninformed child is...
  19. Lessifer

    FDA "Health" Groups Urge Price & Gottlieb to Move Forward with Deeming Regs

    Right, and there are many who feel exactly the same as you do, and I believe that is a very large part of the reason we will always be on the defensive. There is the idea that vaping has to satisfy some very special considerations, even to the extent that when all current evidence points to...
  20. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    There are no large scale studies specifically addressing the addictive potential of nicotine by itself. What we do have are studies concerning nicotine as treatment for things other than tobacco cessation, with observations that the participants were were not smokers did not develop dependency...
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