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  1. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    Yeah, your situation is horrible, afaik my employer still relies on the honor system for the non-smoker discount, but I haven't looked at the policy lately. They consider nicotine to be tobacco, because it's derived from tobacco, but that doesn't take into account the fact that nicotine is...
  2. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    Not that the industry necessarily wants to go this route, but I'm not sure why nicotine could not be considered a dietary supplement.
  3. Lessifer

    What's Wrong with E-Cigarettes?

    Who produced this, and can someone ask if they mind if I share this out through a petition update?
  4. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    Some of us are choosing to fight that. Also, nicotine by itself, has not been shown to lead to physical dependence. It's only when consumed with tobacco that dependence forms. Your officer family member seems to be treating it like a controlled substance, which it isn't.
  5. Lessifer

    Mods with fuses?

    Yeah, I was envisioning something like a car fuse, and you could also purchase a metal plate that could be used in place of the fuse.
  6. Lessifer

    Mods with fuses?

    This is the discussion I was hoping to have. I know that what's been on the market, like the vapesafe 2c fuse, are not used because they have ridiculous amp limits. I can't imagine that there couldn't be a 25A fuse that could be used. Would the issue then be voltage drop? Is there a way to get...
  7. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    I was unaware that smokeless tobacco is on the verge of being wiped out in the US over the next year and a half. Similar, related, share the same science, same enemies, all true. There are a few differences though, smokeless tobacco actually IS tobacco, smokeless tobacco was around before the...
  8. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    I know, I was just taking the opportunity to emphasize the point. They want to regulate batteries, devices, pg, vg, flavorings according to the rules for tobacco, just because SOME of the liquid we use contains ONE chemical derived from tobacco. When it is present, it is usually present in the...
  9. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    I'd say most ketchup is at least 50% tomato, probably much more. At most, e-liquid is 5% nicotine, mostin the 0-2% range.
  10. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    @Stubby believes that because I think vaping doesn't belong under the umbrella of tobacco control, I'm against tobacco harm reduction. I see them as two separate issues. Saying that vaping is tobacco because the nicotine is derived from tobacco is like saying soda is a vegetable because the...
  11. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    Or do we actually agree that a battery, metal tube, coil, wick, pg and/or vg, with/without flavoring is a tobacco product?
  12. Lessifer

    Mods with fuses?

    They've already established their full control, unless it gets overturned by the courts. Again though, I wasn't really looking to get into the politics behind this. Just seeing if the tinkerers out there had any thoughts of a design for a mech, not un-regulated, that would accommodate a...
  13. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that some people view dependency itself as a harm. Not that I agree with that. I'm also pointing out that vaping doesn't even appear to carry that concern. As I said, I'm all for throwing out the entire fsptca, and recognizing lower risk tobacco...
  14. Lessifer

    New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

    Just wanted to say that I hope you understand that my interjections like that are not necessarily meant for you, or to be snide. A lot of people are reading this thread, maybe not all of it, and I just like to bring things back from the theoretical and tangential so that people don't start...
  15. Lessifer

    New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

    Just remember, when you're speculating about what this boil test might mean, that boiling a pot of liquid is different from heating a very small amount of liquid in contact with a coil. Also remember that the whole tank of liquid is not brought to temperature while vaping
  16. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    In my youth I had aspirations of being a school counselor, helping youth through the trials of being young, assisting them in figuring out where they wanted to go and how to get them there. Then I started subbing and realized that school districts were likely never going to have the money to...
  17. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    Oh, I know. I wasn't joking about the degree earlier, though it's not my field of work now. I've also got a wife with a "difficult" diagnosis, so yeah. Some day they may develop tests to screen for particular imbalances, and actually tailor the medication to that, but it's not what happens...
  18. Lessifer

    Cole-Bishop Failed. What now for vape?

    Ultimately that would be ideal, but that would take revision/repeal of the fsptca itself which I haven't seen anyone ask for. I'd be all for it, since even the cigarette part is bad for public health, for the same reasons it is bad for vaping. Although, and I could be completely wrong because...
  19. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    To be fair, that's the same method my pcp is using to figure out my bp medicine. I'm on combination number three right now and going in Monday to have him change it again. With vaping, and smoking cessation though you'd think people would understand by now that there is no best method. Each...
  20. Lessifer

    Can non-smokers that vape potentially lead to real cigarettes?

    In the US I think it is crucial for vaping to remain a consumer product, and not a smoking addiction treatment. Doesn't mean people can't talk about how vaping helped them quit, but adding MAOI's to make it a more effective treatment, that's a dangerous area.