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  1. Lessifer

    California Prop 56 - Hidden Vape Tax

    The relevant section Products not subject to excise tax Nicotine delivery devices sold independently and not in combination with any liquid or substance containing nicotine; Any battery, battery charger, carrying case, or any other accessory used in the operation of a nicotine delivery...
  2. Lessifer

    California Prop 56 - Hidden Vape Tax

    Where did you see that? This says otherwise but that doesn't mean it's not true: https://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/l488.pdf
  3. Lessifer

    petition needs your signature

    I do live within a few hundred yards of the American River. It's unlikely that my particular corner of Sac will flood, but definitely not impossible. We've got emergency bags packed and ready if needed. Could be worse, I could live in Natomas.
  4. Lessifer

    Njoy is back

    I'm not aware of any legal action they've taken recently. That's not the only way of "fighting" though. I've always thought that if any non BT companies were going to submit PMTAs and possibly have a chance, it would be njoy. Having a player at the table who isn't BT is important, IMO. Right...
  5. Lessifer

    Njoy is back

    I personally think we need as many "big vape" companies as we can get, as they're more likely to fight for the industry.
  6. Lessifer

    Njoy is back

    All vapers indirectly owe them a debt of gratitude, for keeping the FDA from killing vaping in 2009. One of my first forays into vaping was an njoy King disposable. I've enjoyed their Artist Collection, and they offer good products for people first making the switch, which is important. I...
  7. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    I meant it is being regulated as a tobacco product component. Liquid nicotine isn't a direct correlation to a tobacco plant, as liquid nicotine is a manufactured product. It would be more like loose leaf cured tobacco, which is regulated when sold to consumers.
  8. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    They are regulating nicotine. However, if it's a raw material(nic) and you are only selling it to another manufacturer who will then turn it into a finished tobacco product, then you do not need a PMTA. I am 99% positive that come 2018, anyone selling nic directly to consumers will require a PMTA.
  9. Lessifer

    Throat clearing. Reasons and science explanation. Anyone?

    Winter?
  10. Lessifer

    And now they're coming after drippers.......Monday morning junk science edition

    Well, they don't usually go out and say that, they usually at least pay lip service to "protecting the youth from a lifetime of nicotine addiction."
  11. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    That's how nearly all of tobacco regulation is. They issue guidance letters, all non-binding, but while they're in effect they are the basis of enforcement actions. The rule itself is vague, the guidance is meant to clarify, but they can issue new guidance at any time.
  12. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    Nope, I've made all of my points before. One thing I did find interesting about the guidance mentioned in the title of this thread. It appears that the FDA expects vape shops to self regulate in the case of replacing coils. They say they do not plan any enforcement actions on vape shops who...
  13. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    There's that pesky word, retailers. You do realize that your definition of manufacturer would not only include DIY mixers, but also anyone who replaces their own coil, or fills their own tank with liquid, right?
  14. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    The case is still ongoing. I'm not sure when the next time we'll hear anything is.
  15. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    That's the FDA's response, not the Judge's decision. They're asking the judge to rule that way.
  16. Lessifer

    And now they're coming after drippers.......Monday morning junk science edition

    Well, you know, vaping is different in the US than it is in the UK. I believe they actually said this at one point... Of course the actual difference is that in the UK the focus is on protecting the health of all, including smokers, whereas in the US the focus is, at least nominally, on...
  17. Lessifer

    And now they're coming after drippers.......Monday morning junk science edition

    Exactly. I'm also not saying that there is no conspiracy. I just don't believe that reacting to every ill-informed report on vaping with "fake news" is beneficial to us in the long run. If there's a comments section, by all means, discuss what's wrong with the report. Shouting down conflicting...
  18. Lessifer

    And now they're coming after drippers.......Monday morning junk science edition

    Is it possible that the reporter and/or their editor is intentionally painting vaping in a negative light? Sure. At the same time, I believe it's entirely possible that this reporter thought they did their due diligence. How many peer reviewed studies are there that detail how dripping is not a...
  19. Lessifer

    And now they're coming after drippers.......Monday morning junk science edition

    Let's say someone comes out with a new energy drink, Spazztastic, and spazztastic contains this supplement Absurdium. Someone releases a peer reviewed survey that says teens are drinking spazztastic, and a reporter sees this and starts writing a story, and they find a study that says absurdium...
  20. Lessifer

    FDA FDA Released New Interpretation of Compliance Policy Guidance PDF

    I'm not pulling myself back into this ridiculous discussion, I just want to ask one question. And it's not really directed at you Rossum, but ties into your point. What enforcement action would they take against a person "manufacturing" products for personal use, and what violation would they...
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