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  1. rolygate

    Two new large US surveys find 15-21 million vapers, 3.2-4.3 million vapers no longer regularly smoke cigarettes

    Can anyone with knowledge of the organisations and methods involved comment on the probable accuracy of these surveys? Thanks.
  2. rolygate

    Two new large US surveys find 15-21 million vapers, 3.2-4.3 million vapers no longer regularly smoke cigarettes

    This thread has been edited to remove the chat posts, placing them into a chat thread in order to keep this thread on topic. Posts in this thread need to be about the material in post #1, otherwise they will be deleted. To chat about the topic in general, please post in the new chat thread...
  3. rolygate

    Can ecigs create nicotine dependence?

    We don't know. This is not a simple issue, because although it has proven impossible to create even the slightest sign of dependence clinically, in multiple clinical trials where large amounts of nicotine were administered daily for up to 6 months to hundreds of previously unexposed subjects...
  4. rolygate

    How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

    It was just a suggestion. If a national civil liberties organisation would consider acting at State level, perhaps they might wait to see the full implications of Federal regulation first. Federal action creates a climate of legality or oppression or other factors that may influence local legal...
  5. rolygate

    The future of E figs ?

    That's a really good question and the one everybody wants to know the answer to. We know it is impossible to clinically demonstrate nicotine dependence in never-smokers (it has never been possible to show the slightest sign of dependence no matter how much nicotine is administered or for how...
  6. rolygate

    Formaldehyde

    I'm told that the recent junk science on formaldehyde in ecig vapour didn't even find any formaldehyde - just precursors. I can't bring myself to read yet more reams of drivel so that's just going by commentary on it. Not surprising really. People who create and promote all this rubbish get...
  7. rolygate

    The future of E figs ?

    If we think of the main driver of State policy being to keep the MSA payments coming no matter what, and the main driver for policy in small countries like the UK being to keep taking the huge tobacco tax revenues no matter what, the resulting guide to policy decisions is not too far wide of the...
  8. rolygate

    have to post here 5 times before you can post elsewhere?

    Some of the Mods are very strict though. :)
  9. rolygate

    How are clones legal?

    Hey this bit is new (sorta): - Vaping depends almost entirely on IP theft - 99% of what you can buy is stolen - Vaping therefore already depends mostly on the black market, as most everything is stolen / copied / sold illegally So it's best not to get too much up on that high horse of...
  10. rolygate

    How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

    ACLU would probably need to wait for the federal regs first.
  11. rolygate

    The future of E figs ?

    If you think of the EU as being like the federal USA but a sort of neo-communist version where laws are made secretly in committees, and the 28 countries of the EU are like the 50 States: they have to obey federal law or face the consequences - then you won't be too far off the mark. There are...
  12. rolygate

    How are clones legal?

    The main reasons are - - It's mostly a case of a China manufacturer vs a China manufacturer, and they don't care and/or will not pursue the matter over here. - The cost of a legal action means that you have to be absolutely sure of a win plus a substantial award. - For some reason many...
  13. rolygate

    have to post here 5 times before you can post elsewhere?

    Otherwise, if spammers can post anywhere - and with 14 million posts in half a million threads - the forum would be overrun with spam in a couple of days. Before we had this system it was a nightmare, and there is no way on earth we're going back.
  14. rolygate

    How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

    A fight back against propaganda needs to be an international effort because it's happening everywhere. Because no current group can manage the publication of appropriate materials in different countries, it would have to be a new collective. There have to be people from each country that funds...
  15. rolygate

    The future of E figs ?

    The TPD has already been put on the statute books, it will be implemented in the 28 countries by May 2016 at the latest. It's an EU move to protect tobacco tax revenue, savings on pensions from smokers dying 10 years early (their claim), and pharma income from the drugs trade. E-liquid over...
  16. rolygate

    How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

    Yes Andria, but it costs a lot of money. As soon as you go federal, the cost goes through the roof. For local politics you can often get by with mobilising locals to appear at hearings and stuff. That costs you a couple of g's to pay for basic services, the occasional flight & hotel, things like...
  17. rolygate

    The future of E figs ?

    Due to the 20% Prevalence Rule, it doesn't matter what is done, prevalence cannot be reduced much below 20%. So they can hike tax, ban public smoking, standardise the packets or anything else - smoking won't go substantially below 20%. Only Sweden has broken 20PR, via free access to Snus. Once...
  18. rolygate

    The future of E figs ?

    The 20% Prevalence Rule means that no matter what is done, smoking will not reduce significantly below 20% unless THR products are freely available. There is no country that breaks the rule (essentially, it states that, in a developed country, if smoking prevalence was originally much higher...
  19. rolygate

    The future of E figs ?

    Yeah, it's interesting to work out which way to go for a regional or national government to generate the most cash out of smoking. Low prevalence and high taxes works (UK is the best example - really high taxes on cigarettes and fuel). High prevalence and low taxes works (the Russia / China...
  20. rolygate

    How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

    CASAA does what they can with the resources they have. In fact they do a brilliant job, considering the restrictions they face. The last legal action that featured vaping vs the US establishment cost half a million dollars. It was won, but the cost ruined those who started it, both financially...
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