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Tonight's show, I will have Tim from HotVapes.com and Rich from NicVape.com to discuss all things AEMSA. If time permits, I will also be performing a live song by Pink Floyd. See you there. 10PM EST at VapeTV | VapeTVLive

Keep in mind that these guys didn't set out to decide what was best for all vendors, just what they felt was best for them and their businesses. And this was behind closed doors not because they wanted to hide it from everyone but because the initial players recognized that there was already...

That very well could be true one day. Then again, maybe with movement on several fronts (CASAA, potentially AEMSA, converting new vapers, educating the general public), we can swing public perception our way and sway government decisions. I'd much rather go out swinging.

*Shakes tiny fist at Raenon* @xanderman Sorry, he edited his post first, I saw the edit, and responded to that. :) Heh

He answered your question and told you that only applies to any up and coming vendor who wants to go through the Mentor-Protege program. He didn't say it in those words, but I took his meaning quite clearly.

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I was wrong in my saying you said Lu was behind AEMSA. I know that is incorrect. You implied that Lu was behind AEMSA's decision for not allowing WTA, and I misquoted you. Sorry. However, you are wrong in assuming what my motives are. You were wrong in attributing AEMSA's initial stance on...

So let the government do whatever it wants, and if they outright ban the sale of e-cigarettes and eliquids (except maybe the 7-11 brands, those might possibly stick around), then build your own mods and make your own juice. Solid plan.

So since the AEMSA is not our court system, they should be able to take "because I said so" when asking WTA extractors the question "How do we know the extraction process is safe" as a valid answer and allow WTA, then. Gotcha.

It's a trade association. Trade associations are made up mostly, if not all, of the manufacturers of the trade association's industry. It's the standard.

If Box Elder were following standards and testing their nicotine solutions before they left the door, would we even be talking about this?

Do trade associations raise standards for an entire industry, even for those not involved in the trade association? Yes, yes they do. Can companies do this on their own without a trade association? Sure, they can. BUT Notoriously, government regulation usually starts with accepted standards...

You're right, we should all strive for more lead in our toys and rampant electrical shorts in our lamp cords. It's the American way.

You should just stop buying products from a lot of places, then. You do realize just how many self-regulating trade organizations there are in the US alone, right? I bet you could walk 10 feet in your house and pick out a dozen things that were manufactured by companies that belonged to a...

Heh, I was responding to someone else that kept saying ECF and AEMSA were together. :)

The issue with WTA versus straight Nicotine: They can verify, with documentation, how the supported nicotine is extracted, what processes and chemicals are used for extraction, etc. Therefore, they can determine with a degree of certainty that the whole process of extracting that nicotine can...

That 'stations owner' has been very vocal about not liking anything at all about AEMSA. Assumptions aren't becoming, CB.

It's not a 'loophole'. The standards specifically state that their top-end nicotine strength of 32mg/ml only applies to premixed liquids and not to unflavored nicotine solutions destined for use in DIY. How hard is that to understand? DIY users are not affected. In fact, NO ONE is affected...

And they didn't do the same with CASAA? Or ECA? Or TVECA? And those organizations had what effect on how ECF managed its vendor policies?