100% PG liquid from TV

[woolfe99]

I have always heard that VG produces more vapor and PG more flavor and throat hit. However, my impression was that the differences were noticeable but not huge. I have had all PG liquid from other vendors and gotten good vapor production out of it.

Last week I ordered my usual bulk lot of AC with a doubler, but this time I ordered 100% PG instead of my usual 80/20 mix, with the thought that the VG might have been gumming up my cartos. So I load it up, and immediately I notice, a) very pungent flavor, 2) harsh throat hit, and 3) practically no vapor at all. And I mean almost *none*, like you can hardly see any of it when I exhale. Very strange given the massive throat hit that I can see almost no vapor. I thought it might be the carto at first so I switched to a new LR atty and got the exact same result.

So I went to the health food store and purchased a bottle of VG, added it to about 20% concentration to the juice, and sure enough, massive vapor clouds. Going from 0% VG to 20% VG increased the vapor at least fourfold, probably more.

I am wondering if perhaps other vendors are adding something to their PG liquids to enhance vapor production, something that TV does not add. In any event, I do not recommend 100% PG from TV unless you don't mind having virtually zero vapor production.

- wolf

 

[markimar]

Well given that Geoff uses very high grade nic it doesn't surprise me that 100% pg would pack a wallup! Who knows what the other companies put in their juice to make more vapor. I personally would be back on analogs if I didnt have that vapor on the exhale It's a huge part of the vaping experience for me.

 

[VaporingQueen]

I would have to agree with you on that one Markimar I like the whole experience including the vapor... but getting more throat hit has me curious.

 

[Wintering]

3) practically no vapor at all. And I mean almost *none*, like you can hardly see any of it when I exhale. Very strange given the massive throat hit that I can see almost no vapor. I thought it might be the carto at first so I switched to a new LR atty and got the exact same result.
In any event, I do not recommend 100% PG from TV unless you don't mind having virtually zero vapor production.
- wolf

Yikes, really? I just ordered an all PG juice. There's really no vapor ... or maybe was it just the flavor you tried?

 

[woolfe99]

Yikes, really? I just ordered an all PG juice. There's really no vapor ... or maybe was it just the flavor you tried?

It's Atomic Cinnacide, same flavor I always get, though in the past I have always gotten 20% VG. Please report back and let me know if your experience is the same. I am curious if there can be any other explanation other than the lack of VG. I am currently assuming that other vendors must be adding ethanol to their all PG liquids and that this is what to expect from all PG liquid that has no other additives - pretty close to no vapor at all.

 

[chainvapor]

It's Atomic Cinnacide, same flavor I always get, though in the past I have always gotten 20% VG. Please report back and let me know if your experience is the same. I am curious if there can be any other explanation other than the lack of VG. I am currently assuming that other vendors must be adding ethanol to their all PG liquids and that this is what to expect from all PG liquid that has no other additives - pretty close to no vapor at all.

I have made my own 100% PG e-juice and while it does not give me as much vapor as when I use some VG, it still gives a cloud. Something TV is putting in the e-juice must be killing the vapor production and it is brought back with the VG added. I have found this happening on a few other juices as well so I just make sure I always order with a minimum of 20% VG, problem solved for me.

CV

 

[DuncanDisordely]

vapewizard from LF gives a bit of vapor to all pg, saying that I hardly use it anymore now I just use VG and the only pg comes from the nic I buy cut with pg, sometimes I get nic with vg and then the only pg is what the flavour is in. I love vg what can I say!

 

[Tyger0902]

I have to have 100% PG as I'm one of the very rare people allergic to VG (it clogs up my throat where I can't swallow and no it's not a sore throat or dehydrated). I get vapor from AC maybe not as much as people that can order VG. But my order of preference is throat hit, flavor then vapor.

 

[timothy]

i also must use 100% pg found that vg was giving me sore throat and was drying me out to the point of lips cracking found this out after i bought a bottle of vg to add to my liquids and some ultimate vinilla at 20%vg. wasnt a waste though gave it to my daughter. but all my cinnicide has been 100% pg not much vapor but good th and it does the trick when out and about can stelth vape easyer

 

[woolfe99]

Thanks for the replies. Sounds like my experience with 100% PG is more or less typical.

Another question pertaining to Cinnacide in general. Is anyone else finding that this stuff turns foul in atties and cartos faster than other juices? I have to clean my atties about once every 24 hours and cartos just do not last at all with this stuff. And it's gotten worse recently.

There was a thread recently asking whether sucralose carmelizes, but the wiki on sucralose says it does not, at least not to the same extent as sugar. So that may not be the culprit.

 

[sizemore2000]

i also must use 100% pg found that vg was giving me sore throat and was drying me out to the point of lips cracking found this out after i bought a bottle of vg to add to my liquids and some ultimate vinilla at 20%vg. wasnt a waste though gave it to my daughter. but all my cinnicide has been 100% pg not much vapor but good th and it does the trick when out and about can stelth vape easyer

Join the club. I can't stand vg. I don't know if it's because of the slight bad taste it produces or because it gums up my cartos or because it dries me out almost unbearably. I can vape some BWB in small doses, but I quickly return to my 100% pg juices. LiquidXpress 100% pg has excellent vapor production, but I don't get much vapor production with TV juice either. Still has a great TH and flavor though.

 

[chainvapor]

Thanks for the replies. Sounds like my experience with 100% PG is more or less typical.

Another question pertaining to Cinnacide in general. Is anyone else finding that this stuff turns foul in atties and cartos faster than other juices? I have to clean my atties about once every 24 hours and cartos just do not last at all with this stuff. And it's gotten worse recently.

There was a thread recently asking whether sucralose carmelizes, but the wiki on sucralose says it does not, at least not to the same extent as sugar. So that may not be the culprit.

Unless you are asking for the Cinnacide Sweetened (which Tasty Vapor does not recommend) there is NO sucralose in it.

CV

 

[cubfanthad]

I have that issue with my cartos, I switched to the smoktech brand, dual or other, and am getting 4x to 5x more life out of them. I do have to blow them out once a day but then they are back to yummy. I believe the filler is different but I'm just guessing.