Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by smokin n jokin, Apr 24, 2010.
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If you are going to DIY why would you order anything less than 100mg/ml?
Because 100mg/ml isn't the safest thing to play around with. A half mL can kill you.
I don't fool around with anything over 50mg because it scares me. I'm a klutz and I have pets and to me it's not worth the risk to save a few cents.
When I first started DIY I started with 36mg until I felt comfortable.
Not really an option for DIY to order anything stronger. I think.
Consider however that 100mg/ml is 12% pure nicotine. eliquid manufacturers use 99% pure stuff, now that would give me the hebejeebes.
If I got some 100mg stuff spilled on my hands I would just wash it off and would probably not need medical attention. I don't mix liquid too far from a sink.
The only reason you would want a more pure nicotine base would be if you were mixing VG juice.
Nicotine in pure form should NOT be handled by anyone without a laboratory.
Pure nicotine is around 1000mg/ml. A single DROP can kill you of that.
I cannot stress enough -- DO NOT EVER BUY PURE NICOTINE.
100mg/mL is dangerous, but it's nowhere near as dangerous as pure nicotine.
that is a no doubt. and very few people are even allowed to buy at that strength. lab to lab maybe, but even my own setup will not go that strength. might as well wear a moon suit with a negative pressure bio room if you get that deep in it. we don't go that far. 100mg/ml is the way to go. 150mg/ml if you want to ge that deep in it. don't go any farther. Even our manufacturer does the breakdown for us instead of getting the straight stuff from them. too unsafe. even the 100mg/ml needs to be handled with extreme caution
I consider myself a careful person and NO WAY would I EVER buy pure nic for DIY purposes.
I spilled one drop of 100 on my skin a couple of weeks ago and run to the sink to run cold water on it to rinse it off. One drop of 100 is like 5mg. No biggie. One drop of pure nic is 50mg, and I may not have been here to type this message now had it been pure nic I were using. Just one single drop would do the job.
Never DIY with pure nic, ever. It isn't worth it.
Because there is absolutely no reason to do so. There is no cost savings buying 100mg over 50mg. Furthermore, the 100mg will cost you more to cut in the long run. So your argument for 100mg would be?
The USP Propylene Glycol and Glycerine I buy are a small part of my mixing cost, amounting to about 5% of my total cost. When I buy nicotine liquid, I do a cost per milligram of nicotine analysis, consider the source and their reputation for purity, and buy the least expensive nicotine from one of those sources.
Supertrke's 100 mg is often the lowest cost/mg liquid, so he then would get my order. MFS recently had a sale, and their 60 mg/ml liquid was the price-beater. Both 100 mg/ml and 60 mg/ml fit my mixing needs nicely, we typically use a 20 mg/ml final product.
My recommendation? All else equal, buy the best cost/mg liquid, let competition drive the market.
I only use 100mg to top off flavours that ain't quite strong enough, so as not to lose the flavour of the original liquid. At 5mg per drop, it doesn't take a lot to boost an 18mg liquid up to 22mg.
I use 52mg as a base for mixing to a 36mg, or less, final mix.
How do you figure there would be no cost savings. You would have to use half as much 100mg/ml as you would 50mg/ml.
Duh, the 100mg is twice as much as the 50mg for the same qty. As a matter of fact the 50mg at one point was slightly cheaper per ml than the 100mg. IOW the cosr per ml for 100mg was more than dble.
In the end though "whatever floats your boat"
"Duh, the 100mg is twice as much as the 50mg for the same qty."
It wasn't where and when I bought it, maybe you need to learn how to shop.
Xtreme vaping is where I shop. The site is presently under repair, and I stand by my previous observation. Nobody else will ever get my business, and as previously stated:
"Whatever floats your boat"
I'm done with this conversation.
To the OP: if you are new to DIY, I strongly recommend sticking to 48 mg or less for the base. The biggest issue with DIY in the beginning is mess, and 48 mg or less on you will not likely poison you...and you WILL get it on you unless you wear gloves. I use syringes for all dispensing, and have my bases in amber bottles with eurodropper inserts, which allow syringe dispensing without risk of spilling if the bottle knocks over. Use a lower nic base untill you know what you are doing and have a safe technique for mixing. Once you have a good setup and hand skills, then think about higher nic.
All I start with is 100mg...
My eJuices end up with <40mg/ml genarally, but if I just need to spruce up a low nic juice 100mg is the way to go so you don't have a bunch of extra "PG flavor".
I don't know what droppers some people use (beveled tip on every dropper besides the Lorann droppers), 20 drops per ML=5mg per drop @ 100mg. Measured 1/3 of a 3ml bottle that came with my original JC purchases.
Most of the time I estimate: 1 dropper-full is about 1ml, I never had a problem, not one.
I have an 8 year old, and a 2 year old in the house. 100mg is stored ABOVE the range in the cabinet.
good conversations here, I appreciate the give and take. as long as we all remain cool about it minus any attitudes
I have 7 kids, i get enough of that teen 'tude in my normal life
100mg/ml has been the sweet spot for me, makes my mixing easy, and i have rock solid hands so filling the bottles is never a problem for me.
Always consider the source of your nic. I don't think saving a few bucks here and there is worth it to get cheaper stuff if you are putting it in your own body.
The only one with shakey hands I had to worry about was my urologist! Even he probably keeps paper towels handy!
Not from what I have read recently... Everybody is dropping prices like crazy since my last 120ml of 100mg for about $107!
This is why I only purchase form Levy:
It appears that I have received a batch of nicotine that is causing the PG and VG to turn a faint Pink in color.
This is just a reaction with a new chemical that the supplier used during the extraction process.
The supplier has assured me that this discoloration does not affect the quality or the strength of the nicotine liquid. It is just a cosmetic reaction.
However, due to this discoloration, this batch of nicotine does not meet my Xtremely high level of quality standards.
I expect it will take close to 2 weeks to get a new batch of nicotine liquid shipped in.
Until that time, I have suspended sales of my Xtreme Nicotine Liquid.
If you understand that this is just a cosmetic flaw, and that it does not affect the strength of the liquid, you may e-mail me for purchase information.
I apologize for any inconveniences but do appreciate your continued support.
Last Updated (Saturday, 24 April 2010 10:03)
That's why I couldnt' access pricing earlier. FWIW, that is why he and he only sees my business.
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