1st Obligatory Message: Musings on my year as an e-cig user and the online racket it is

[Sister Golden Hair]

Is this Art Carny cat replacing the Slayer guitarist that died? If so, Slayer updates are worth having a sensible argument mocked by those who are incapable of conveying a disparate position without emoticons.

AND YES, holidays at my house are a blast! Our prattling is weaved with humility and transcendental humor. We eat Turducken on the flatbed and insult each other properly; terms such as: “party pooper, oddball or troll” are saved for sweet talk. Then we polish the wood framing of (only) our advanced degrees from elite, private universities while listening to Grammy’s karaoke rendition of Eazy-E’s “Nobody Move.”

 

[RaceGun59]

I must say that I don't think I've seen a new member get all five of their obligatory posts done from one orginal post. Well done and welcome to the E-Cigarette ( not vaping)-Forum.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I must say that I don't think I've seen a new member get all five of their obligatory posts done from one orginal post. Well done and welcome to the E-Cigarette ( not vaping)-Forum.

Thank you for the warm welcome and much needed humor. I pride myself on efficiency; in this one post I have garnered a breadth of information and a bevy of friends.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Thou shall not write posts in invisible ink.View attachment 264638

I wasn't testing anyone's spidey sense. I made a mistake. Tutelage from a veteran would have been appreciated in lieu of a commandment that only served as an alert to my defenses.

 

[devauto]

I've been using e-cigarettes for over a year…I haven’t had a traditional cigarette in that time. It was fairly easy to quit smoking. (All prior attempts were spectacular failures.) I'd be remiss if I did not say that it was time consuming to learn how to operate and clean the e-cigs and the accoutrements. By becoming a member I will be an elitists that can ask questions instead of just reading the threads for reference material. I hope to find an e-cigarette mentor, procure a new device and merchant that is reliable.

I won’t employ the term "Vaping."I liken it to hipster college kids that always have their water bottles nearby while dancing to bad techno when “Rolling.” I never wanted to be part of a subculture that required a new verb to describe their behavior. However, this forum is the only e-cigarette library; therefore I am beholden to it. I tried to post a more amusing version of this post, it wasn't profane, however, this site censored it; which only evidences a my closing remarks.

I’ve used the Joyetech ego-C 1000 mah happily for a year. I am upgrading and dropping my former vendor, myfreedomsmokes.com, because they sold me two bunk batteries and wouldn’t honor their warranty; they essentially stole money from a loyal customer. That debacle was the impetus for me actually becoming a member of this forum. Most importantly I need to find an American vendor that demonstrates the importance of customer service and loyally, has a phone and answers it during business hours, sells legitimate brands, and stands behind their products. Those are not unusual expectations for bricks and mortar stores, but unfortunately the online-cigarette business is a lawless operation and you are essentially at the mercy of the merchants.

Hi Sister Golden Hair,

First off, Welcome to the forums.

To start, I am responding to your initial posting prior to reading the remainder of the thread as I have some points to make that I don't want to be potentially diluted by later thoughts. Many (most?) of us here in the forums can completely relate to spectacular failures trying to quit smoking. Congratulations on going a full year completely free of them.

Now is the point where I disagree with you. By joining these forums I do not believe you become an elitist, you become a participating member rather than a lurker who provides nothing in return for the information gleaned from others. Please don't misunderstand, this is NOT necessarily a bad thing, many folks are simply interested in researching and not participating. I will not dispute that there ARE elitists here, but most are not. I submit that if the forums were for elitists, the manner of entry would be much more difficult, to weed out those that don't meet the standard.

Regarding the term "vaping"; it is a term used to describe the act of vaporizing liquid, that may or may not contain nicotine, and may or may not be used to assist one with the act of giving up a harmful and toxic habit. Currently there is no other term that so elegantly and/or easily describes the meaning that it imparts. At present the term is part of a subculture, but I suspect that it is only because it is not understood or easily accepted by the general population. Over time that is changing, it is becoming more understood and accepted, but until it is fully part of daily life and society, it will remain a sub-culture. Sadly, when this happens, other terms will also become accepted, and I do take offense to some of them, such as "analog" or "stinky" instead of cigarette. The difference is that these terms already have an accepted name that people intentionally disregard and refuse to use. This is where my problem lies.

I am sorry that you had such bad experiences with myfreedomsmokes. I have never done business with them, so I have no opinion on that matter. What I do want to recommend is a vendor that is exceptional and goes out of their way to support their customers. As you are in the NoVA area, I would recommend you try Vape Dojo for your needs. They have 2 B&M locations, from you the location in Ellicott City is the closest, probably 30-40 minute drive without D.C. traffic. I have been there several times, and they go out of their way to assist. Nothing is ever perfect, but the owners go out of their way to make things right. My experience has been that thy always answer their phone, and stand behind their products. I wish I were closer, I would support them more often. I encourage you to stop in and see for yourself.

In closing, I am hopeful that I have been able to provide some points of interest for your consideration. While we may not agree on certain points, and may not ever, perhaps we can agree to disagree. I request that you bring your experience and knowledge to the forums to help those with questions. I look forward to seeing you participate in these forums. Most of all, I truly hope you no longer think that participation in this community is elitist based. Finally, if nothing else, I hope you will give Vapedojo a try and see what you think of them.

Now that my comments are complete, I'm off to peruse the remainder of this thread ...

-- Dev

 

[devauto]

I can't even make it all of the way through your rambling posts. There are a ton of good knowledgeable folks on this forum (yep I said folks) that has always helped anyone who has asked as far as vaping is concerned. I regret that you had to stoop to actually communicating with the ECF vaping community, but I am sure that you will still get answers to your ramblings because they are more patient than they should be at times. I don't mean to offend anyone, but your arrogance is a tad overwhelming.

Hi VapingJester,

While I too might agree that the OP comes off as a bit arrogant, there are plenty of folks here in the forums already that also fit that description (just speak poorly about a Provari ... you'll see what I mean). For the record, I'm not saying that the OP or Provari owners are arrogant, only that they are a VERY vociferous group and there are many examples in the forums that might be taken as "arrogant". Does this mean that they are not helpful? Not at all, and the OP has the ability to provide insight and assistance like everyone else. Don't regret that the OP joined the ECF to communicate with the community, rather, embrace her as a new member that can help others.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I won’t employ the term "Vaping."

Sorry to break the news to ya but you're in the minority.

I've been using e-cigarettes for over a year

Many also dislike the term Ecig...myself the terms don't bother me.

Musings on my year as an e-cig user and the online racket it is

Kinda unfair to paint the entire industry with a wide brush based on one incident.

Those are not unusual expectations for bricks and mortar stores, but unfortunately the online-cigarette business is a lawless operation and you are essentially at the mercy of the merchants.

Not true...there are alternative remedies for any issues we experience.

A story.
An acquaintance and I wanted to move our websites to another host...we are vastly different in personality.
The result was I got a 96% refund and moved to a new host. The acquaintance...they refused to terminate his contract and he's stuck with them for another 10 months.
I look at life in this way...there's a time to talk up to someone, down to someone but most times I prefer and find it more gratifying and worthwhile to speak with others on the same level.
As for finding a reputable Vendor there are many but I doubt if you'll ever find a Vendor with 100% positive feedback.
Best of Luck.

 

[babybear1401]

I use the usa website mtbakervapor.com they are quick and customer service is great

 

[rolygate]

The terminology we use has always been a problem, because it has had to be invented and there are likely to be some rough edges for a few years. 'Vaping' isn't a bad attempt at a name, it has its drawbacks but no one seems to have suggested anything better or it would be in use. How about giving it a go?

Linguistic contortions are comparatively easy in our language as it is an efficient framework for development. No accents, no noun sexes make it superb and way out in front in the modern era, compared to the baggage others have to cope with. Try looking up the equivalents for 'vaping' in other languages and you'll be glad we've got what we've got - others seem to use variants of 'steaming'. Reminds me too much of old trains.

 

[Ryedan]

I must say that I don't think I've seen a new member get all five of their obligatory posts done from one orginal post. Well done and welcome to the E-Cigarette ( not vaping)-Forum.

I have. It was quite spectacular and ended up at I believe 45 posts in something like 30 minutes. For a while there I thought he was going to make 50 posts.

 

[sda2010]

LiteCig has been awesome

 

[Buffyisabean]

Regardless of the words used in this subculture, I don't find it necessary to belittle them. You like it, you don't like it...doesn't really matter as long as whatever you wanna call anything is helping you. There's going to be elitists in any group like this. I don't see why it's necessary to bring it up as life has taught me to expect it. I guess I'm the type of person to see the good rather than the bad or the glass half full. Mind you, I'm still in my twenties
I also like emoticons. A lot.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Dev,

I appreciate you creating an adult discourse and recommending a bricks and mortar outfit. Your arbitration skills are as keen as your intuition: we are going to respectfully agree to disagree. You have been courteous; thus the following is only in the interest of correcting misconceptions and delineating different perspectives.

I was incredulous that my inaugural post (that was playful and impromptu) garnered attention, especially from scornful members that challenged me for voicing an opinion. That amused me and was the impetus for my assuming the acerbic tone cloaked in arrogance.

The irony is that I never asserted inconclusive data as facts by simply perusing a thread. I consulted empirical research before posting. Yet I was rebuked because it is easier to be blindly allegiant than consider the ugly truths. I don’t adhere to logic merely because it is proffered or it is a popular belief. I never intended to be disruptive. I don’t enjoy nonsensical arguments but I don’t easily intimidate, especially when there is a concerted effort to do so.

Thank you again for creating this dialogue.

 

[Arnie H]

I've been using e-cigarettes for over a year…I haven’t had a traditional cigarette in that time. It was fairly easy to quit smoking. (All prior attempts were spectacular failures.) I'd be remiss if I did not say that it was time consuming to learn how to operate and clean the e-cigs and the accoutrements. By becoming a member I will be an elitists that can ask questions instead of just reading the threads for reference material. I hope to find an e-cigarette mentor, procure a new device and merchant that is reliable.

I won’t employ the term "Vaping."I liken it to hipster college kids that always have their water bottles nearby while dancing to bad techno when “Rolling.” I never wanted to be part of a subculture that required a new verb to describe their behavior. However, this forum is the only e-cigarette library; therefore I am beholden to it. I tried to post a more amusing version of this post, it wasn't profane, however, this site censored it; which only evidences a my closing remarks.

I’ve used the Joyetech ego-C 1000 mah happily for a year. I am upgrading and dropping my former vendor, myfreedomsmokes.com, because they sold me two bunk batteries and wouldn’t honor their warranty; they essentially stole money from a loyal customer. That debacle was the impetus for me actually becoming a member of this forum. Most importantly I need to find an American vendor that demonstrates the importance of customer service and loyally, has a phone and answers it during business hours, sells legitimate brands, and stands behind their products. Those are not unusual expectations for bricks and mortar stores, but unfortunately the online-cigarette business is a lawless operation and you are essentially at the mercy of the merchants.

Welcome to ECF. A very eloquent post, you have stunning command of the English language.

Most of the US based online vendors I've dealt with I've been satisfied with and more. Actually never had a problem with myfreedomsmokes (which is located in my state), but if you did, that kinda sucks. Of course I am the type who will annoy ya to death, and do whatever it takes, until I have received satisfaction. Sure you got plenty of recommendations already, you might try a VA based vendor, but not gonna try to add anything else. Just wanted to say hello.

 

[devauto]

Dev,

I appreciate you creating an adult discourse and recommending a bricks and mortar outfit. Your arbitration skills are as keen as your intuition: we are going to respectfully agree to disagree. You have been courteous; thus the following is only in the interest of correcting misconceptions and delineating different perspectives.

I was incredulous that my inaugural post (that was playful and impromptu) garnered attention, especially from scornful members that challenged me for voicing an opinion. That amused me and was the impetus for my assuming the acerbic tone cloaked in arrogance.

The irony is that I never asserted inconclusive data as facts by simply perusing a thread. I consulted empirical research before posting. Yet I was rebuked because it is easier to be blindly allegiant than consider the ugly truths. I don’t adhere to logic merely because it is proffered or it is a popular belief. I never intended to be disruptive. I don’t enjoy nonsensical arguments but I don’t easily intimidate, especially when there is a concerted effort to do so.

Thank you again for creating this dialogue.

Sister Golden Hair,

At the risk of being associated with yet another subculture, I will respond simply with "LOL".

First, allow me to apologize up front for the brevity of this response, however it is late and I do need to retire for the evening.

Second, thank you for taking the time to respond. This has truly been a fun exchange, and I appreciate it. I will admit, I read your inaugural post, and while you are exceptionally articulate, I missed the playful intent. I believe that was due to an artifact of using an electronic medium for communications.

I look forward to future exchanges.

-- Dev

 

[Trayce]

@ Sister Golden Hair: (Love that song... All this time I thought it was an Eagles song, but it was America!)

Regarding your distrust of e-juice being any better than cigarette tobacco....

When I ordered e-juice for the first time, I learned a day or two later it was made in China, I dumped it down the drain and went the DIY route. I bought USP grade VG (best stuff imo is from Essential Depot, made from coconut), and USP PG.

VG by itself is very nice tasting and provides a lot of vapor but no throat hit. (I vape 100% VG because I am sensitive to PG.)

PG creates less vapor but is thinner, less sweet, and provides a throat hit.

If worried about vaping unknown ingredients in ready-made e-juice, you can mix up whatever ratio of VG/PG you like, add your nic, and you're good to go. It's about as safe as vaping gets.

If you'd prefer to extend that some, simple, clear, fruit flavors would be the next safest bet. Vendors like The Flavor Apprentice have worked extensively to provide vapers with more informed choices about their flavors.

I would never buy e-juice again... I like knowing what I'm inhaling. Even when I mix fruit juices or NETs (tobacco extractions) I still know what I'm vaping; meaning which ingredients are questionable and how much of them are in it.

FTR I wasn't big on the term "vaping" either because it sounded like something a vampire or prostitute would do. But I have come to associate it with my mod, tanks, and the satisfaction I get from vaping, so it has a positive connotation now and I like saying it. As for subcultures... we are all part of subcultures. Academia is a kind of subculture... politics... music, art, film, technology... all feel like subcultures when you are inside them, and for all practical purposes, are. Even parenthood is a kind of subculture... but some subcultures are deemed "mainstream" and so are not seen as such. I guess your only point was you didn't want to be inside this one. Fair enough. I have a hobby or two that subcultures are associated with that I also have no interest in.

IAC good luck with your new device and vendor.

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi VapingJester,

While I too might agree that the OP comes off as a bit arrogant, there are plenty of folks here in the forums already that also fit that description (just speak poorly about a Provari ... you'll see what I mean). For the record, I'm not saying that the OP or Provari owners are arrogant, only that they are a VERY vociferous group and there are many examples in the forums that might be taken as "arrogant". Does this mean that they are not helpful? Not at all, and the OP has the ability to provide insight and assistance like everyone else. Don't regret that the OP joined the ECF to communicate with the community, rather, embrace her as a new member that can help others.

 

[Trayce]

@ The Ocelot ... I won't 'hate you for your mod' ... until Provari comes out with VW and OLED screens like the Vamo. But I might hate you for your ocelot! What a cutie!

 

[mediocre toker]

Sister Golden Hair,

At the risk of being associated with yet another subculture, I will respond simply with "LOL".

I will admit, I read your inaugural post, and while you are exceptionally articulate, I missed the playful intent. I believe that was due to an artifact of using an electronic medium for communications.

-- Dev

Yes. I missed that broardsided attempt at tongue in cheek too. Funny. This could have been interpreted by the use of emoticons (note the use of emoticons)
Welcome to the forum BTW.
As suggested by a previous post. The DIY sub forum could be and maybe should be your next step to find all about how to make what we do as safe it can be. It's pretty easy to make your own and you know what ingredients go into your concoctions, so you can be rest assured that the vape you make is the one for you.
Good luck.

 

[p.opus]

A few takes.

As an online vendor, Sun Vapers is a premium Kanger reseller in San Diego County.Sun-Vapers.com | A San Diego eCommerce site dedicated to seeking out and showcasing quality products. is awesome. They are a San Diego Brick and Mortar with an online presence. I have received outstanding support from them. They are not the cheapest out there, but they have very quick shipping and a knowledgeable and helpful staff.

The Electronic Cigarette Super Store | myvaporstore.com is another great online vendor.

Now for the whole Provari thing. According to what I have seen, the Provari seems to be the only Mod out there that will give you the same voltage throughout the entire discharge cycle. Your last hit on a Provari will be the same as your first hit.

Variable wattage is a great feature, I have it on my itaste vv 3.0. It's nice to know I don't have to adjust the settings between tank swaps. But if variable wattage would impact the ability of the Provari to deliver a consistent output throughout it's discharge cycle, then leave it out. I'm seriously thinking of putting away some money for a Provari only for it's ability to maintain it's voltage througout it's discharge cycle.