2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!

[BanjoMan]

I can help.



translation: You are the first one with this complaint. No one else has mentioned this before.

THAT part I got. Even without a southern drawl.

 

[v1John]

The same KR808D1 actually comes with 2 different brains, you can get the 3.3volt or the 3.7 volt.

The 3.3volt does appear to last longer than the 3.7volt.

 

[badkolo]

Did you measure the ohms? no they are lower then the 3.7 e2 cartos though and maybe that might cause a issue with this type of wicking system
If they are lower resistance why would they not be for 3.7v batteries? Is that because they would burn out or because they would burn juice? A regular Joye 510 atomizer is 2.5 ohms. It works fine on both 510 batteries and 3.7v battery mods. Their literature/website implies these are 2.6 ohms...



Issue? Actually solved? have you seen one of these? anyone tried one of these?
solved in the sence that they are higher ohms, should get less hotter then the ones im testing now.


lol, I thought it was YOU... wait a minute... you're doing a spoof here aren't you. doh... and I bit completely me, no, i didnt have these until today, everyone else said it was hard, what i said was it was impossible to fill through the holes in the plug, i did not know you can simply pop that cap out and fill it that way with ease



yes!

i added my responces above

also after an hour or so playing aorund with these its simply a wicking issue and nothing more, when the juice gets tot he coil it works flawlesly, and i loosened the coil on one and so far im in heaven but im still testing. there is room for improvements but nevertheless once these minor things are cushioned out then i see these being the new kings on the block.

the one i loosened the coil on is using nhaler octane whcih is thick and its working so far puff after puff with no burn but i might have damdaged the coil a bit.

 

[Quick1]

also after an hour or so playing aorund with these its simply a wicking issue and nothing more, when the juice gets tot he coil it works flawlesly, ... nevertheless once these minor things are cushioned out then i see these being the new kings on the block.

[let's use the car analogy again ]

This is kind of like saying it's simply an engine issue and nothing more. When the engine runs the car works flawlessly...

 

[naviathan]

How does it do more at lower voltage? It's 2.6 ohms. See Joule's law.

How does the lower voltage allow it to "work" longer? Are you saying that the same 510 or KR808 battery will "work" longer with this than than with the "old" technology?

Wow....You are a Quick1 aren't you? That statement wasn't made about e-cigs specifically, but it can apply. If the cartos are made to work better at the lower voltage then the batteries can be made smaller, but still last longer due to not using as much power. If the atty gets as hot or hotter at 3.3V than the old designs do at 3.7 then they will use less power. Remember wattage is calculated with resistance and voltage. You lower each but produce a product that can perform as well as a higher voltage version then it will last longer on a charge. A 3.3V battery that is the same size as a 3.7V battery should (should meaning different manufacturers will build varying batteries) last longer purely through amp hours.

 

[naviathan]

[let's use the car analogy again ]

This is kind of like saying it's simply an engine issue and nothing more. When the engine runs the car works flawlessly...

You are dead set against anything new aren't you? We're evaluating a new product and pointing out the things that need changed/improved. We're also working on making these improvements through mods and sharing the info with the forum. Once we get the new design that should fix these problems, there are still going to be people that will want this information for their original shipments so they don't have to go buy the new design right away, just to get a working carto.

 

[badkolo]

[let's use the car analogy again ]

This is kind of like saying it's simply an engine issue and nothing more. When the engine runs the car works flawlessly...

yes i fully agree, if it cant wick properly its useless, but this isnt a engine nor a car, its not rocket science and just becuase they pushed out a shoddy wicking system doesnt mean that this isnt fixable, just from an hour of playing around i already got one to work flawlessly at 3.7 with thick juice.

But i agree with you totally, and i dont appreciate them denying these issue to begin with but at the moment they are the only producers of these and from my time with them i get better taste and better vapor production, it does eat juice a little faster but they are making a e2 XL version that holds more juice.

if these can be fixed by simple soltions i feel we should do what it takes to let them know what to fix, becuase its this simple, if they fix the issue then these are golden. there is no other complaints about these e2's other then wicking, solve that and its done. if that cant be done they they are garbage and a watse of time, but like i said i solved one so far and vaping over and over as i type this.

 

[Scottbee]

Wow....You are a Quick1 aren't you? That statement wasn't made about e-cigs specifically, but it can apply. If the cartos are made to work better at the lower voltage then the batteries can be made smaller, but still last longer due to not using as much power. If the atty gets as hot or hotter at 3.3V than the old designs do at 3.7 then they will use less power. Remember wattage is calculated with resistance and voltage. You lower each but produce a product that can perform as well as a higher voltage version then it will last longer on a charge. A 3.3V battery that is the same size as a 3.7V battery should (should meaning different manufacturers will build varying batteries) last longer purely through amp hours.

I'm sorry.. and I know that you mean well.. but your understanding of power, heat, wattage, and battery capacity appears to be somewhat flawed.

 

[naviathan]

yes i fully agree, if it cant wick properly its useless, but this isnt a engine nor a car, its not rocket science and just becuase they pushed out a shoddy wicking system doesnt mean that this isnt fixable, just from an hour of playing around i already got one to work flawlessly at 3.7 with thick juice.

But i agree with you totally, and i dont appreciate them denying these issue to begin with but at the moment they are the only producers of these and from my time with them i get better taste and better vapor production, it does eat juice a little faster but they are making a e2 XL version that holds more juice.

if these can be fixed by simple soltions i feel we should do what it takes to let them know what to fix, becuase its this simple, if they fix the issue then these are golden. there is no other complaints about these e2's other then wicking, solve that and its done. if that cant be done they they are garbage and a watse of time, but like i said i solved one so far and vaping over and over as i type this.

That's the attitude I like to see. I completely agree.

 

[Quick1]

Wow....You are a Quick1 aren't you? That statement wasn't made about e-cigs specifically, but it can apply. If the cartos are made to work better at the lower voltage then the batteries can be made smaller, but still last longer due to not using as much power. If the atty gets as hot or hotter at 3.3V than the old designs do at 3.7 then they will use less power. Remember wattage is calculated with resistance and voltage. You lower each but produce a product that can perform as well as a higher voltage version then it will last longer on a charge. A 3.3V battery that is the same size as a 3.7V battery should (should meaning different manufacturers will build varying batteries) last longer purely through amp hours.

Yes, resistance and voltage.
"hot" would be watts. See Joule's law. (Watts = Volts X Current)
Current draw. See Ohm's law. (Current = Volts / Resistance)

It's the same battery right? Joye 510 or Kr808?
The E2 cartomizer is 2.6 ohms according to them.
The math is straightforward.

 

[naviathan]

Yes, resistance and voltage.
"hot" would be watts. See Joule's law. (Watts = Volts X Current)
Current draw. See Ohm's law. (Current = Volts / Resistance)

It's the same battery right? Joye 510 or Kr808?
The E2 cartomizer is 2.6 ohms according to them.
The math is straightforward.

I won't say it's not the same battery because there's speculation to the internal components of each, but the working voltage of the KR808 stays around 3.7V when under load. The working voltage of the 510 drops to around 3.2-3.3V under load.

 

[v1John]

Yes, the longer 51mm CE2s with improved internals should be available next week.
Thanks for reminding me badkolo. Lol, I am wanting to order already.

 

[v1John]

It's the same battery right?...
The math is straightforward.

No, it's the same battery, with a different brain.
The 2.6 ohm carto goes on the KR808battery that has a different controller circuit (3.3 volt battery).
It says so right on the battery order page.

And it's ultimately about heat and controlling and applying only the best amount, if you can produce vapor with pulses or lower voltage, or even both, then it's a good thing.

 

[Col. Gaunt]

I ordered some of each, the 510, 808 and 808-d1. Still waiting for them.

After I ordered them I saw some of the negative reviews and tried to cancel. After several e-mail exchanges with the company, they sent me an e-mail saying that they saw no reason why they should cancel the order and then said that if I did, they would never allow me to order for their site again!

I have the e-mail of this threat. Really nice company to do business with huh?

 

[badkolo]

tell them to make sure they ship you the newer revisioned ones.

 

[Quick1]

No, it's the same battery, with a different brain.
The 2.6 ohm carto goes on the KR808battery that has a different controller circuit (3.3 volt battery).
It says so right on the battery order page.

And it's ultimately about heat and controlling and applying only the best amount, if you can produce vapor with pulses or lower voltage, or even both, then it's a good thing.

Fascinating. Care to explain?

No offense but we have a radio ad around here for a carpet cleaning company. They don't use any chemicals at all and are still able to get carpets cleaner because they use "empowered" water.

 

[Scottbee]

The working voltage of the 510 drops to around 3.2-3.3V under load.

I have yet to see a 510, or 510-class battery (eGo, Tornado, Riva, MaxX, T-Rex) put out that much "effective" (PWM-RMS) voltage under typical loads (<2.5Ω).

 

[Quick1]

I have the e-mail of this threat. Really nice company to do business with huh?

I think it's the same reason someone got the "We have never heard this complaint before". When you e-mail they have no way of knowing that you're on ECF and have seen this thread.

 

[v1John]

I ordered some of each, the 510, 808 and 808-d1. Still waiting for them.

.... Really nice company to do business with huh?

It is for many of us.

I only ordered 10 cartos.

Sounds like you ordered way too many way too quick. Maybe someone here can buy some off of you. Why did you order 808 though? They have a different thread than the 808d1, don't they?

 

[Col. Gaunt]

I think it's the same reason someone got the "We have never heard this complaint before". When you e-mail they have no way of knowing that you're on ECF and have seen this thread.

They must have because in the e-mail they mention the thread that was written by V4L and how they put them down. Actually I had not even read that thread until they mentioned it. I was referring to the video review and other written review that I had seen and read.