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[Scottbee]

I understand all that. SO, in your opinion, do you think their intent was to attenuate voltage/current or this is just a side effect of their protection/detection circuitry?

That's a hard one. Tough to tell what the actual "intent" was. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that they came up with the simple algorithm, realized that is was reducing the effective voltage and thus power, and then adjusted the atty resistance (510 days) to match. Done.

But we know that it is not mandatory to design the circuit that way. The Kanger batteries (at least the KR808D-1s that I have tested) don't pulse the power.

 

[Scottbee]

Right, what I'm saying is that the ego can now deliver awesome vapor, the CE2s are really nice.

Now what I'm asking is if there is enough time to allow the wick to cool just slightly enough and allow more liquid into the coil area? Obviously not with this particular code, but a more controlled and deliberate one?

It would be an interesting balance between the wicking time constant (which is also a function of the liquid viscosity and other factors) and the thermal time constant.

 

[Quick1]

It would be an interesting balance between the wicking time constant (which is also a function of the liquid viscosity and other factors) and the thermal time constant.

It would depend if the wicking rate is significantly dependent on heat (all other things constant). If not, it wouldn't make a difference -- either the wicking rate keeps up with the vaporization rate at some wattage or it doesn't. If it doesn't you either improve the liquid delivery or reduce the wattage and get less vapor.

 

[v1John]

It would be an interesting balance between the wicking time constant (which is also a function of the liquid viscosity and other factors) and the thermal time constant.

exactly, that's what my question has been

 

[Scottbee]

It would depend if the wicking rate is significantly dependent on heat (all other things constant). If not, it wouldn't make a difference -- either the wicking rate keeps up with the vaporization rate at some wattage or it doesn't. If it doesn't you either improve the liquid delivery or reduce the wattage and get less vapor.

Agreed. My comment was based on v1Johns implication that a "hot" coil vaporizes the liquid faster than it can (currently) be delivered.

 

[v1John]

The green arrows represent what could be precious time to allow liquid molecules to approach the atomization area.

 

[Quick1]

Agreed. My comment was based on v1Johns implication that a "hot" coil vaporizes the liquid faster than it can (currently) be delivered.

Lol (I'll translate ) v1John would like to maintain the current rate of vapor production. The wicking rate is not sufficient. v1John is asking if pulsing the current would effectively increase the wicking rate while maintaining the current rate of vaporization.

I don't think so.
Because we would see an attenuation of wattage -> less watts, less vapor
Because there is that thermal capacitance of the coil. It's not "waiting" during the pulse and is still vaporizing liquid.
Because if you stopped the coil long enough (longer pulse) to let it cool enough to where it quit vaporizing liquid to let the wick deliver more juice you would see a distinct drop in the volume of vapor being produced.

 

[v1John]

... If it doesn't you either improve the liquid delivery or reduce the wattage and get less vapor.

Not really, in the example I was thinking, you can even increase the energy, but then pause maybe once?

This is a magnified segment which could represent the entire draw, and I even give you more energy if it helps. The peak power is (or can be) higher than that measured in the ego/510 class.

Would there be time to bring additional liquid in?

 

[Quick1]

What is your blue line? Is that the amount/level of liquid in the wick under the coil?

Why do you think it would flow in faster with the coil off? than on?

If the coil is off enough to quit or decrease vaporization then you get less vapor.

Look at it from just the liquid.
Liquid in = vapor out
As you increase the heat of the coil (within some bounds) the rate of vaporization increases. More vapor out requires more liquid in.

If the rate of vaporization exceeds the rate of liquid in then it depletes the level of liquid in the wick and then you dry. We're doing that now.

I doesn't matter what you do. You won't maintain the current rate of vaporization (that causes it to go dry) unless you increase the rate of liquid in.

Since the rate of liquid in is presumably not dependent on heat, you need a better wick.

 

[v1John]

What is your blue line? Is that the amount/level of liquid in the wick under the coil?

Why do you think it would flow in faster with the coil off? than on?

....

It's not about flow rates, it's about liquid molecules present (not rate of change, but change in quantity)


The blue line represents the amount of liquid molecules in the atomization area.

I don't think it would flow faster or slower, but it WILL flow and replenish the atomization area with the coil off.


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As you increase the heat of the coil (within some bounds) the rate of vaporization increases. More vapor out requires more liquid in.

...

Look it, near x=0 you have plenty of liquid...so vaporize it

At the green arrow, what if there is time for additional liquid molecules to approach?

 

[Quick1]

I don't think it would flow faster or slower, but it WILL flow and replenish the atomization area with the coil off.

Exactly. and the net result is?... less vapor for your drag.

If the atomization area is replenishing then vaporization has decreased or stopped.

 

[v1John]

Exactly. and the net result is?... less vapor for your drag.

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Now, I didn't say quit. In fact this is all within the drag. Only the controller has imperceptibly stopped the coil just briefly to alow more liquid molecules in. When the number of molwcules in the atomization area has increased, it resumes.

less vapor? no, precisely because additional liquid molecules were brought in

 

[Quick1]

less vapor? no, precisely because additional liquid molecules were brought in

I don't know what more to say. Additional liquid molecules were brought in (and the level went up) because vaporization decreased or stopped on the output side.




I think scottbee knows a lot more about this than I do. Maybe he can validate your theory.

 

[v1John]

Well you (or someone) already mentioned it (possibly). We really don't know the time aspect, which is what I'm wondering...But so far so good. That's why badkolo's video showed how easy it is to repeatedly get vapor. I'm seeing it for myself too.

Oh well.
Alright for now, thanks.

It's really fantastic now already. It's just an e-cigarette tho,
it's not a turbo .... pipe or whatever they're called, hahaha

ok

 

[badkolo]

so whats the conclusion of the last 3 pages.

 

[BanjoMan]

so whats the conclusion of the last 3 pages.

That science geeks are notorious thread killers?

 

[badkolo]

That science geeks are notorious thread killers?

all i know is this, at either 3.1 or 3.7 with the e2's i get as much vapor, more of a throat hit, same flavor, warmer vapor and more nicotine rushes then my 5volt devices.

and again all at 3.7 or less.

 

[BanjoMan]

all i know is this, at either 3.1 or 3.7 with the e2's i get as much vapor, more of a throat hit, same flavor, warmer vapor and more nicotine rushes then my 5volt devices.

and again all at 3.7 or less.

I'd agree with all of that except the flavor part. At 3.7v either the flavor dimishes for me because of the vapor warming up, or the extra throat hit makes it seem like the flavor is diminishing. I know it's not because of wicking because I'm getting that even on my WetBox with a fresh pump. It's just a hair too much for me, but I bet the 5v guys will love them.

 

[badkolo]

I'd agree with all of that except the flavor part. At 3.7v either the flavor dimishes for me because of the vapor warming up, or the extra throat hit makes it seem like the flavor is diminishing. I know it's not because of wicking because I'm getting that even on my WetBox with a fresh pump. It's just a hair too much for me, but I bet the 5v guys will love them.

which i would agree totally with but some cartos with the same juice that wick proper i dont lose flavor, while on others i do lose flavors, cant explian it.

and you might be right about the heat, the ones that get hotter i lose flavor in until it wicks again.

and we are all reviewing the older version as well, i cant wait to test the newest ones

 

[tiburonfirst]

That science geeks are notorious thread killers?

patience now, sometimes those geeks can come up with astonishing results.

and if not, nothing more is lost than 3 pages of a very long thread