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  1. Max Brown

    Max Brown Full Member

    Jan 6, 2020
    Obninsk, RF
    Dear experts on mixtures of salt nicotine, please tell me (to save your time, I wrote answer options that came to my mind):

    1. Is it possible to use mixtures based on nicotine salts (with a concentration of about 24 mg / ml) on a conventional MTL vaporizer tank, or do I need a special one?
    1.1. No, impossible.
    1.2. Yes, but it is necessary to greatly reduce the temperature of the heater (by varywatt, or by temprature control) and take into account that either there will be no taste or an overdose of nicotine will occur.
    1.3. Yes, you can, in normal mode, but you should only take 1 short puff - this is convenient if you need to quickly smoke or have morning nicotine doze.

    2. Is it possible to mix liquids on nicotine salt with ordinary (until 2018) weak (3 mg / ml) liquids?
    2.1. No, they do not dissolve in each other.
    2.2. No, at a temperature that evaporates the usual mixture, the salt part will collapse.
    2.3. Yes, but either there will be an overdose in prolonged vaping, or “salt” liquid must be added so little, that it is easier not to add it at all.
    2.4. Yes, you’ll get exactly what you wanted: a quick intake of nicotine in the blood and a relatively small dose with prolonged evaporation.
    2.5. Yes, it will be almost what I wanted in 2.4., but the taste of steam will go bad.

    3. [i removed this conflict issue]
     
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  2. Jebbn

    Jebbn Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    nvm
     
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  3. Max Brown

    Max Brown Full Member

    Jan 6, 2020
    Obninsk, RF
    No, i really dont know. Our (russian) mass-media are too curve mirror of reality, i dont believe them, and it is the reason to ask people living outside .ru (but my English is too poor to read news at websites).
    Hmm... But I am sorry if my 3rd question is a conflict issue. I just removed it. What about 1. and 2.?
     
  4. Jebbn

    Jebbn Ultra Member ECF Veteran

  5. Max Brown

    Max Brown Full Member

    Jan 6, 2020
    Obninsk, RF
    It was all the versions i know.
    But let's forget this question. The first 2 questions are more important to me.
     
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  6. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    You can use "freebase" nic or "salt" nic anyway you want. And, yes, you can mix them (if you are good at math) Most of what you hear about "this device is for nic salts" and so on is just marketing hype. What is more important is findint the VG/PG ratio that works best in your device. Also, MTL tends to be better for higher nic levels... DL better for lower nic levels. What device are you using?
    You did kinda set yourself up for some harassment (especially #3 that you wisely deleted) I might not have even responded because of that.
     
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  7. Max Brown

    Max Brown Full Member

    Jan 6, 2020
    Obninsk, RF
    Thank you for reply!
    I use SvoeMesto Kaifun Mini with self-invented (and yes, hand-made) vertical coil (2.5 Ohm) on the "SMOK starter kit"'s internal-battery mod.
    [​IMG]
    And the native SMOK's tank, with also vertical, also handmade coil (1.0 Ohm, drill-made "clapton"), i use on Wismec Predator battery box.
     
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  8. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Moved On ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    Sounds like you do MTL (mouth to lung) less vapor and lower watts. DL (direct lung) implies big clouds of vapor and higher watts. Good for you doing rebuildables (I'm just getting into that too) Try to work on your forum posting style... keep it simple and avoid the anti-vaping sensitive issues (until you've been around awhile)
     
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  9. Jebbn

    Jebbn Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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  11. Max Brown

    Max Brown Full Member

    Jan 6, 2020
    Obninsk, RF
    Yes, with this coil Kaifun works @9Wt (measured when installed on Predator, coz "Starter kit" does not have any watts/volts/power/etc control).

    This is not difficult if you have proper tools. I use conical tip of the pencil to make funnel-form coil (allowing to drop contact wire from the top of funnel to the contact pin).
    1. Fix an wire in 1st contact pin;
    2. Stick the tip of the pencil into the hole of the air inlet (if it fits from below, like I have).
    3. Wind the wire around the expanding tip of the pencil. You will get a funnel-shaped coil.
    4. Pressing the coil with a fingernail to the pencil, bend the wire with the help of manicure tweezers and lower its tip down to the second contact pin.

    Hmm... What is wrong in my posting style? Hint please what to fix.
    coil
     
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  12. madstabber

    madstabber Vaping Master ECF Veteran Verified Member

    You don’t have to think of freebase nicotine and nicotine salts as different at all. One has a lower ph then the other but you can mix them together and vape at the same power level or temperature. Yo may prefer one over another but I couldn’t tell any difference from using freebase and HIT nicotine salts. Good luck and good day
     
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  13. virm

    virm Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 27, 2019
    it turns out it's very basic, high wattage vaporizes everything faster, so the throat hit is too much with high nic_ worse if it's freebase or 'hit' nicsalt.

    You're vaping MTL, so low wattage, so it vaporizes less, so you can generally use much higher nic of any kind without getting uncomfortable, even freebase or 'hit' salt. but you can add more with regular (no-hit) nicsalt before starting to feel uncomfortable.

    i've put nicsalts and free base from separate mixes into the same tank at the same time without problems
    (i started doing it because i was lowering the nicotine in the nic salt mix and lost the throat hit i liked, so i added some of my 3mg freebase 70vg juice into the tank on top of 15mg nicsalt 50vg).

    it was nice of you to make it easier for ppl to answer by giving them options, but you really don't have to here_ many are willing to take the time to answer even general questions and they ask for clarification when necessary, they won't ignore it

    @Jebbn @vaper1960 love y'all but you're starting to scare me_
     
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  14. Max Brown

    Max Brown Full Member

    Jan 6, 2020
    Obninsk, RF
    Nicotine salt, I expect, is to be absorbed faster in the lungs, and with their help I hope to solve the problem of the morning dose of nicotine. In the morning I very want to smoke, but I do not have time to slowly get nicotine from a regular vape. And that causes me smoke a tobacco morning cigarette. The same problem occurs after eating.
    Now I wish use my MTL-Kayfun for nicsalt and TFV-4 for traditional liquids: fast 1-2 puffs of nicsalt vapor to have nicotine dose in blood, then vaping traditional juice for pleasure.
    Is this the working or bad idea?
     
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  15. Falconeer

    Falconeer Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Welcome to the Forum.

    While I only use Freebase myself, I do know quite a few folk here in Hawick, who keep a Juul, which uses salts for that first thing in the morning smoke craving to get the cravings out of the way quickly, so your idea makes sense to me.
     
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  16. dreamvaper

    dreamvaper Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2018
    UK
    wow that looks like an eagle's nest.
     
  17. madstabber

    madstabber Vaping Master ECF Veteran Verified Member

    Yes that’s a good idea, anything you need to not smoke. I don’t notice a big difference between the two as far as it satisfying a craving but they say say salts are supposed to cross the blood brain barrier faster so it should help you. I vape 30mg nicotine “hit” salts out of subohm setups which isn’t recommended by the manufacturer but it’s what helps me not to smoke so that’s what I do. I take short (1.5-2 second) puffs and maybe 10 puffs per hour so I don’t chain vape but I like the high nicotine. If I tried chain vaping it would give me symptoms of nicotine overdose but with infrequent short pulls I get satisfaction so that’s what I do to keep me from smoking even though it may not be recommended it’s whatever works for each of us to keep us from smoking.
     
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  18. Letitia

    Letitia Citrus Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    Welcome to the forums @Max Brown
    Just ask the question in the future, maybe with an explanation of exactly what you're not understanding.
    As far as morning satisfaction whether you use salts or freebase if you hold the vapor in your mouth for a moment and exhale through your nose you'll be absorbing the nic more efficiently. If you like th just setup a morning tank with higher mg nic or use a dripper with a dl draw.
     
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  19. DeloresRose

    DeloresRose Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Apr 25, 2014
    toledo ohio
    I didn’t read all the replies, so apologies if this is redundant.

    You can use salt and freebase interchangeably. That’s the short answer

    Salts are more expensive so I don’t use them where freebase will do the job - meaning at lower concentrations. For me, I don’t sense salts as being any smoother 12mg/ml and less.

    There is no difference, that I know, that makes one or the other unsuitable for and coil or tank.

    So I use salts only at higher levels for small mtl devices like pods, and make all my 6 mg juice with freebase for my devices under 1.0 ohm.
     
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  20. BrotherBob

    BrotherBob ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Dec 24, 2014
    Sunnyvale,CA,USA
    Welcome and glad you joined.
    Wish I could (from a no nic user).
     
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  21. Max Brown

    Max Brown Full Member

    Jan 6, 2020
    Obninsk, RF
    AFAIR and as i know by my own experience, this would not help because of nicotinic acid (freebase) is slowly absorbed, slowly penetrates the blood (relatively to nicotine salt). Higher concentrations may accelerate this process a bit, but they lead to prolonged overdose. With full lunges of nicotine, but still low level in blood, you continue and continue vaping - i know this situation.
     
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