36mg nicotine too much?

[AndriaD]

Maybe it was because of my time with pipes and cigars, but I have never understood the throat hit thing. I liked perique and ligero so peppery was never an issue, but smoking was always smooth to me. Maybe it's just the way way I react to pg, but what I associate with throat hit is just burning. Everyone is different and we do what we need to stay off the cigs though. I'm glad you found something that works for you, and I hope the op does as well.

To me it's a "tingle", and I feel it most right after eating. I have a cherry-vanilla pipe tobacco mix that I made, and though normally the TH it gives is pretty soft, right after eating, bang, that's the stuff, a full-mouth tingle. Love it! My vapor is very thin, which is the only kind I can deal with; TH lets me know I'm actually "inhaling" something (though I don't actually inhale very deeply, and didn't when I smoked either, thx to the asthma).

I still think Stevegmu is wrong. After finding more than a dozen juice vendors that make claims on my side, and nic vendors as well, I have to believe he is talking out of the wrong end.

He usually is. Nothing new about that. TH is *mostly* from nicotine, but not entirely; I've never used more than 10mg, but gotta have solid TH; high PG and the Flash additive help a great deal. I once tried a higher VG ejuice, and the taste was ok, but no TH at all -- I hated it. The very first ejuice I used was myfreedomsmokes' Virginia, which has OUTSTANDING TH -- and when I vaped that, it was 6mg -- and it gave me better TH than the cigarettes I smoked, which was what helped me make the switch.

Andria

 

[RugerNumber9]

$12??? It's $6 for me.

Andria

Its $12 for 120 ml nic,120ml vg, and 240ml pg

 

[AndriaD]

Its $12 for 120 ml nic,120ml vg, and 240ml pg

I get the PG 120ml 100mg/ml TH nic; costs $10, shipping is $6.

Andria

Wasn't the OP wanting maximum TH? why would he order VG nic, if he wants max TH?

 

[Scotticus93]

So I've been vaping for over a year now and as much as I love everything to do with the vaping world(the flavors, the mods, the clouds, the coil builds, all of it), I still find that I'm missing something since I've got into vaping, and that is throat hit. Ino this is a common complaint amongst new vapers but I still have this issue for some reason. I use 24mg nic everyday and I still don't get that satisfying throat hit. I get the nicotine high and even a shortness of breath when I take the longer drags(likely from the high nic level), but the throat hit is average at best. For me, the TH is the most important aspect in vaping and I still haven't got to it.

When I got my first mod a few months back(after I had been using an ego for a little while) the throat hit was massive and it was the best one I have gotten from vaping. That was on 24mg, but as I continued it went away and the TH was not as good as that first one. My question is, would going to 36mg nic and diluting it to around 30mg be too much of a jump? I'm purely looking for the TH too. If I could get TH at 0mg nic I would do it but I know that doesn't exist. I was looking into an unflavored nicotine base of 36mg and thought that would be good to maybe even add into the 24mg to give it a better hit.

Also if I were to go through and do this what would you suggest the VG/PG ratio be? I know pg is better for the throat hit but maybe with such a high nic level the vg based would be better to maybe even it out? Idk really but if I could get some help on this I would really appreciate it. If I could get this figured out then it's safe to say that I will never touch another analog again.

Pg is crucial to throat hit. If you really want something to slam your throat try 60 to maybe 80/pg. I have also found that higher wattage with hot vapor makes more th. Lastly something I've noticed since I started vaping is once you settle on a certain nic level and pg vg ratio. Eventually after a few days your body builds kind of a tolerance to the throat hit. Kinda like a lot of us coughed when we first started smoking but not after we became seasoned smokers

 

[kates]

I'm in the UK and use BiteXtra which I think is the same thing as Flash. I vape unflavoured 90-95% PG but at 0 - 2mg nic there is no TH at all so I'm just experimenting with a bit of BiteXtra. It definitely works for me - not quite as good as nicotine but a lot, lot better than nothing. (I prefer no nic/ very low in the evening so I can vape lots and still sleep). I was pleasantly surprised as I just got it on a whim thinking it probably wouldn't work.

 

[RugerNumber9]

I get the PG 120ml 100mg/ml TH nic; costs $10, shipping is $6.

Andria

Wasn't the OP wanting maximum TH? why would he order VG nic, if he wants max TH?

Because I am going to make a mix of 100ml vg 200ml pg and 100ml nic to make 400ml

 

[AndriaD]

Because I am going to make a mix of 100ml vg 200ml pg and 100ml nic to make 400ml

Sure seems like the long and complicated and expensive way to go about it. If you get Pg nic, a) you're not paying top dollar for someone else's PG/VG, b) clearly it costs less to buy something lighter to ship, and c) you only need to add a little VG to the mix to bring it to whatever ratio you want.

Andria

 

[Scotticus93]

Whats funnier is that I wasnt even that big of a smoker lol I would smoke like half a pack a day

That's funny cuz so did I and people think I'm crazy to run 12 mg through an stm at 40 watts and 50/50. I'm about to move down to higher vg and maybe 9mg. So wait you are running 24 through a tfv4? How is that even possible. That throat hit would be murderous

 

[AndriaD]

That's funny cuz so did I and people think I'm crazy to run 12 mg through an stm at 40 watts and 50/50. I'm about to move down to higher vg and maybe 9mg. So wait you are running 24 through a tfv4? How is that even possible. That throat hit would be murderous

That's a lot like the response my 85% PG gets at one of my local vape shops... they seem to have "never heard of anyone using that much PG!" That lack of awareness is why I no longer buy ejuice there (or anywhere else that doesn't offer 80% or 90% PG) -- the highest PG they offer is the Halo line, none of which taste good to me, but even 70% PG is far too much VG for me.

Andria

 

[Boden]

That's funny cuz so did I and people think I'm crazy to run 12 mg through an stm at 40 watts and 50/50. I'm about to move down to higher vg and maybe 9mg. So wait you are running 24 through a tfv4? How is that even possible. That throat hit would be murderous

With that much airflow 24mg would be weak sauce for me as far as throat hit goes. Especially with the over flavored eliquid that seems all the rage today (which masks TH a lot).

Good throat hit has as much to do with the atty used and the coil as it does with PG/VG ratio or nic strength.

A coil designed for vaporizing high VG eliquid in large quantities will suck for throat hit.

Also don't confuse throat hit with harshness. Two different things.

 

[RugerNumber9]

Well the 24mg nic I am using is 50/50 pg/vg ratio so is that maybe a reason I haven't noticed as strong a throat hit? I'm getting all pg for my next one though

 

[AndriaD]

Well the 24mg nic I am using is 50/50 pg/vg ratio so is that maybe a reason I haven't noticed as strong a throat hit? I'm getting all pg for my next one though

It very likely is the reason for the soft TH -- nicotine and PG really work together to provide TH.

Andria

 

[RugerNumber9]

Sure seems like the long and complicated and expensive way to go about it. If you get Pg nic, a) you're not paying top dollar for someone else's PG/VG, b) clearly it costs less to buy something lighter to ship, and c) you only need to add a little VG to the mix to bring it to whatever ratio you want.

Andria

Ok you're definitely right I didn't even think of the shipping cost. So what would you suggest I buy?

 

[RugerNumber9]

Sure seems like the long and complicated and expensive way to go about it. If you get Pg nic, a) you're not paying top dollar for someone else's PG/VG, b) clearly it costs less to buy something lighter to ship, and c) you only need to add a little VG to the mix to bring it to whatever ratio you want.

Andria

And which way would be the absolute cheapest to go? Thanks

 

[AndriaD]

If you get the PG nic, then the shipping is only $6. You can get USP/kosher VG from amazon, $3.97/16oz, and I don't recall the exact charge for shipping, but it was far less than most of these vape places offer -- of course, if you have Prime, then shipping is free.

I know you're hesitant about DIY, but it can be done pretty easily, using this calculator -- it lets you specify the nic level and PG/VG ratio of each individual item you add, so it can be used to combine pre-made ejuice, or even adding WTA -- that was what I first started using it for, to add 100% VG WTA to pre-made ejuice and be able to control the resulting nic level *and* PG/VG, since I have to be so careful not to have more than 15%-20% VG. Now I use it for full-on DIY, and it's just as great for that.

Andria

 

[RugerNumber9]

If you get the PG nic, then the shipping is only $6. You can get USP/kosher VG from amazon, $3.97/16oz, and I don't recall the exact charge for shipping, but it was far less than most of these vape places offer -- of course, if you have Prime, then shipping is free.

I know you're hesitant about DIY, but it can be done pretty easily, using this calculator -- it lets you specify the nic level and PG/VG ratio of each individual item you add, so it can be used to combine pre-made ejuice, or even adding WTA -- that was what I first started using it for, to add 100% VG WTA to pre-made ejuice and be able to control the resulting nic level *and* PG/VG, since I have to be so careful not to have more than 15%-20% VG. Now I use it for full-on DIY, and it's just as great for that.

Andria

Ok so would that be the cheapest route to go? And how much would it cost and how much e liquid would I end up with? And im actually not so against diy now that I know what it is. It seems relatively easy now. Also I really appreciate the help

 

[mattiem]

If you are wanting your liquid to be 24 mg and approximately 75pg/25vg you could buy 100mg/ml nicotine in 100% VG and a bottle of PG.

To make 100 mls of 24mg 76pg/24vg you would mix 24mls of 100mg/ml VG nicotine to 76 mls of PG. that way you would only have to purchase nic and PG and it should bring your shipping charge down to a reasonable amount.

Edited to add: but if you want more pg than 76% then Andrias suggestion of getting your nic in a pg base is spot on.

 

[RugerNumber9]

If you are wanting your liquid to be 24 mg and approximately 75pg/25vg you could buy 100mg/ml nicotine in 100% VG and a bottle of PG.

To make 100 mls of 24mg 76pg/24vg you would mix 24mls of 100mg/ml VG nicotine to 76 mls of PG. that way you would only have to purchase nic and PG and it should bring your shipping charge down to a reasonable amount.

Edited to add: but if you want more pg than 76% then Andrias suggestion of getting your nic in a pg base is spot on.

Oh cool ya I am looking at the different options right now. From what andria is saying I think I should go with a pg based unflavored nic base? Im not positive yet though

 

[RugerNumber9]

Ok so I did the math and I found that if I bought all of the diy supplies and mixed it myself it would not even be that much of a difference financially than if I just bought the 24mg unflavored nic base pg base off ecigexpress. So would you guys suggest I just go with that instead? And do you think the throat hit would be enough off that alone? Or should I get the flash by flavourart with it? Also I am currently using a 24mg 50pg/50vg ratio and the throat hit is definitely lacking.

 

[edyle]

Also I use a tfv4 tank with the smok x cube 2 and vape it around 70-90 watts

24mg at 70-90 watts?
That sounds phenomenally high.
Or are you using temperature control mode?