7th person has died from vaping

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zoiDman

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Until we know what this person vaped, we have no idea of the cause.

And we may Never know. Because we may Never be Told.

California has been at the Tip of the Spear to Demonize e-Cigarettes. They have Also be at the Forefront to be push for "progressive" decriminalize and "normalization" of what is associated with just about ALL of these "vaping" Illnesses.

So Don't expect California to be quick to come out and cast a Bad Light on something they have said we should have. And Vindicate something that have Spent Years say'n we shouldn't.
 

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I am SO not looking forward to the blow back. I have social anxiety as it is, last thing I need is random strangers accosting me in public about my vaping. :(
I was at a friend’s wedding this weekend when another guest told my wife and I we should quit vaping because we could get popcorn lung lmao. The nerve some people have.
 

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I think it's banned for e-cig use in the whole of Europe under the EU Tobacco Products Directive (TPD)

Good to know. Latest list of 'baddies' with online research:
  • (diketones) diacetyl, acetoin, acetylpropionyl
  • furfuryl alcohol
  • sulphites
  • sodium benzoate
  • sugars and sucralose
  • cinnamaldehyde
  • benzaldehyde
  • pulegone (new)
 

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Dimitri was right. We need to engage a Public Relations firm.

I Think it is a Little Late for that.

The best time to put Lipstick on a Pig is before it has been Ground Up and Made into Sausage by the Media.

Just say'n.
 

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The CDC knows exactly why these deaths are occurring.
They should be held responsible for their lack of truthful information being passed on to the media.
"stop vaping" is a irresponsible recommendation.
It's called "covering your backside" by using the "shotgun approach". If they recommend "stop vaping" period, they can't be incriminated. They didn't want to say something is safe when it wasn't, or vice versa. In the end, that policy may bite them in the backside by not sharing what information that they already knew. We'll see.

I don't think the FDA or CDC or medical teams were even aware that there are two different types of vape liquid -- nicotine and cannabis. Very different products that use the same type of gear.

When there is an outbreak of Salmanella or E. Coli, at first you can only say don't buy the lettuce or the hamburger, until you have more information of lot numbers and what locations those products need to be recalled. It's a public emergency and sometimes just a general statement is the only response that can be given until more specific details are available.

But why lie if you are dying, it's not helping
Who's saying they were lying? From what I read, victims admitted to "vaping". But did anyone on the medical team ask "what" they were vaping? I saw no evidence that they did, but that could be from poor reporting. These events had been extremely rare (lipoid pneumonis) and the medical community seemed to be unprepared and dumbfounded. They treated it as bacterial pneumonia with antibiotics, but that's not how you treat lipoid pneumonia (steroids). Now, medical teams will know to consider lipoid pneumonis in the future.

The kids may have lied because they didn't want their parents to know they were using THC purchased illegally off the street. Some were intubated with a tube down their throat and in a coma; hard to talk under those circumstances.

The older individuals had health problems. Who's to say that they weren't vaping THC because they had cancer? Legal dispensary THC is expensive, or maybe not available in their state, so their option was to purchase cheaper unregulated THC off the street. Who knew it was a vial of poison?

Buying any drug off the black market carries huge risks. Everybody and their mother is selling CBD; is that stuff off the counter and online regulated and safe? I don't know.

Most (likely all) of these people are using THC bought off the street, cut with something else. I've seen no sign that normal vapers need to worry about it.
And ECF picked a horrible time to go pro THC vaping.
That's your opinion. My opinion is that it is the perfect time to open a cannabis forum. It's not a pro THC forum. It's supposed to be a place for people to share information, safe use information, especially at this time. Since vapers of all kinds come here to seek information I think its a great and prudent idea. No one here that I've seen is promoting THC to the community, just sharing safety information that they have picked up.

As said many times before, you can choose to ignore the cannabis forums if you wish.
 
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The kids may have lied because they didn't want their parents to know they were using THC purchased illegally off the street. ...

The Same can be said for Many Adults.

I know Many People who use certain things Recreationaly. But that Doesn't mean they want their Boss/Co-Workers to know.

Or maybe their Kids
Or their Kids Teachers at School
Or Neighbors
Or the people they see at Church
Or _________ (<= fill in who You Don't want to know Here)
 

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That's your opinion. My opinion is that it is the perfect time to open a cannabis forum. It's not a pro THC forum. It's supposed to be a place for people to share information, especially at this time. Since vapers of all kinds come here to seek information, safe use information, I think its a great idea. No one here that I've seen is promoting THC to the community, just sharing information that they have picked up.

As said many times before, you can choose to ignore the cannabis forums.

But is the Cannabis Sub-Forum doing what it was Supposed to do?

Seems like there is More Posting about Cannabis outside the Cannabis Forum than inside.

And the Google Searches make No Distinction between the two.
 
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But is the Cannabis Sub-Forum doing what it was Supposed to do?

Seems like there is More Posting about Cannabis outside the Cannabis Forum than inside.
No doubt there are kinks in our protocal system still. Often the subject is brought up in the general forums in the middle of a thread unrelated to the thread topic. What's the ideal response? Redirect the question to the Cannabis forum and leave them high and dry? (No pun intended) I would like some feedback from the mods. So far I haven't seen any comments by our mods by mentioning this topic in the general forums. This is new territory for them too and they're learning along with us. We'll eventually figure it out.
 
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At the current moment, I'm thinking it's a market driven thing (as in big money).

See Zoid's post starting here:
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
and mine later down.

So it's a back-room deal between Wall Street investors, big tobacco, and maybe big pharma. In order to get PMI and others to give up tobacco cigs, they have to make a deal. <<--- read that again, important.

Tobacco is a legal protected thing. Cigs too.
So what to do? If they want to ban cigs, they have to do TWO things: give an alternative AND importantly get the participation of BT. BT is already immune from more suits, and you can only educate so much. So what to do?

Give them the vaping/gadget market and TRADE it for the cig market. So they produce (and get a lock on) the vape/heat/veep/xyz products with rigorous testing and qualification requirements, produce their patented products that get produced while the other stuff gets vilified and is "untested".

So it's a TRADE. It's a DEAL. Dollars. Money (and investors and BT) talks. And frankly, they have the $$$ to acquire and/or test however they need to if they own the marketplace.

That post with links to their site about their "tech" and a "smoke free future" I made was really educational for me.

And it makes sense that avid non-smokers, ANTZ, etc. would hop onto whatever hype as leverage, hastening the transition to a "smoke free future". Whereas in the UK market, they compete in the vape area....with flavors.

So the unstated goal here, isn't actually anti-vape, it's anti-cig, with the grass-roots vape industry as a casualty of war.
 
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