A 30mL bottle is equal to?

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Dakota Jim

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It is purely subjective to each person

I smoked about 30 cigarettes per day - I now vape about 200ml per month - 2mg nic (sweet dessert flavor)
Best friend smoked about 15 cigarettes per day - 30ml lasts him about 45 days - 6mg nic (menthol)

I diy for both of us so I know what we both go through for volume

1 regular carto will hold about 1ml of e-liquid - I believe 1 carto may be about the same as 6 cigarettes (and again this subjective to each person and the nic strength)
 

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Depends on what you are vaping with and the level you are vaping at. I can suck a 3ml tank dry in a matter of hours when vaping at 30 watts with my Aqua rba. I think it's more important to look at your consumption level, ml per day, and the fact that you don't smoke. One may tend to vape more than they smoked because it taste better and is not harmful like smokes are. So it deserves a different perspective and analyzing. Vape is not smoke, it is totally different. It can and will get you off smokes, but can also become something more than smoking ever provided. It can become a fun hobby and a collectors enthusiast. But the main thing for me is that I don't smoke anymore, feel better and have great vape.
 

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Hello fellow Vapors!

I was wondering how many packs is equal to a 30mL bottle of juice?

Has anyone really figured it out to a close number?

Is 1 Carto equal to 1 pack of cigs? I've heard this before as well.

Thank you.

I use 2 clearos;
1 I hardly use has a nicotine cigar blend in it; I bought 10 ml of that. That's gonna last me MONTHS. I just take an occassional puff.
But most of the time what I vape in other clearos is 0 nic, or an eliquid which came with nic but to which I'd added at least twice as much VG.

Vaping 0 nic, I can see myself using up more than 10 ml a week. Maybe 50 ml;

Also, a high VG mix will probably last longer than a thin mix I think.
 

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One thing I haven't seen anyone address yet - I skimmed, so I may have missed it - when I was a brand new would be vaper, I wasn't nearly as concerned about "how much liquid equals a pack?" as I was "how much liquid am I going to need to last a month?"... which for me is one pay period. It's just that as a smoker, I was used to thinking in packs, not liquid.

I think a lot of new vapers are therefore inadvertently asking the wrong question. Because we think in packs, we ask what equals a pack (the metric we're familiar with in terms of measuring how much nic we need per day/week/whatever). What we're actually *trying* to ask is "for god's sake, how much liquid do I need to order with my first ecig? 30mls or 300?"

The answer remains roughly the same - everyone's needs are different, so you can't compare liquids to packs. The additional information/advice I now give to new vapers, however, is that I recommend starting out with at least 30 ml total, in at least 3 different flavors. Three ten ml bottles (or six 5mls, or whatever) is still *reasonably* cheap, but it's *enough* liquid for you to a) see if you want to pursue vaping and b) give you enough variety that you'll hopefully find at least one vapeable flavor. Exactly how long that will last you? For that, you'll have to get vaping and find out - but most beginners using an 808 or an Ego type device will take at least a couple weeks to work through that much liquid, which also gives them enough time to put together another order and wait out shipping time.
 

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One thing I haven't seen anyone address yet - I skimmed, so I may have missed it - when I was a brand new would be vaper, I wasn't nearly as concerned about "how much liquid equals a pack?" as I was "how much liquid am I going to need to last a month?"... which for me is one pay period. It's just that as a smoker, I was used to thinking in packs, not liquid.

Excellent point, Seanchai! New vapers need to make a transition from thinking in packs to thinking in milliliters. Generally speaking, an average vaper uses 2-5ml of eliquid a day. This is only a ballpark figure, of course. It depends of how much you vape, the strength of your eliquid, what kind of PV and topper you're using, what wattage you prefer and last but not least, whether you use single or dual coil atomizers.
 

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The answer remains roughly the same - everyone's needs are different, so you can't compare liquids to packs. The additional information/advice I now give to new vapers, however, is that I recommend starting out with at least 30 ml total, in at least 3 different flavors. Three ten ml bottles (or six 5mls, or whatever) is still *reasonably* cheap, but it's *enough* liquid for you to a) see if you want to pursue vaping and b) give you enough variety that you'll hopefully find at least one vapeable flavor. Exactly how long that will last you? For that, you'll have to get vaping and find out - but most beginners using an 808 or an Ego type device will take at least a couple weeks to work through that much liquid, which also gives them enough time to put together another order and wait out shipping time.

Very good advice Seanchai. Keep in mind tough that average juice consumption is 3-4 ml a day, so that means 30 ml is good for 10 days max on average. And for someone new to vaping all the juices they buy will probably not be good for them. If they are amenable to spending a few more bucks, 60 ML spread between different juices is probably better.
 

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Very good advice Seanchai. Keep in mind tough that average juice consumption is 3-4 ml a day,

New I wasn't average, just took this poll and in the 2% range of vapers in this limited poll. I vape in the 10-15 ml a day range, up to 20 ml on my days off. Yes a lot depends on your gear and the watts one vapes at. On the Provari I vape at max watts output ~15 watts, on the Nemesis I vape a .5 ohm build which puts me in the 30 watt range. Obviously, the higher watts you vape at the faster the juice is atomized and more juice is used.
 

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Ah! One of the perennial new vaper questions. There is no easy math for this when you factor in all the variables. Besides some of the explanations already offered: at a satisfactory nic level you vape x amount. Drop your nic level and you may end up vaping twice as much. Any attempt at trying to factor an equivalency then becomes irrelevant. (It really becomes like trying to compare apples to elephants.) And other fun stuff like that.

Everyone seems to want an answer to this question when they start. And then you get over it pretty much quick! :D

Finally someone answered the question asked by the Op.

Saying that I read a post the other day by Vocalek a CASAA Activist and she actually had a formula and an end number for just this equation, I forget the math, but her post can be searched for. Sorry I don't have a link.
 
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Good article, Katya. I also remember reading somewhere that the amount of nicotine absorbed in the lungs is lower with vapor since the molecules that carry the nicotine are about 10x larger in e-liquid as compared to cigarette smoke. Basically, it's nearly impossible to calculate the ratio since habits vary. Thinking in mls is they way to go and I'd say you can really only figure that with experience.

For me, I used to smoke between 5 and 10 cigarettes a day and now use around 1 to 2 mls at 18mg/ml (EVOD w/ ego batt.)
 

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Excellent point, Seanchai! New vapers need to make a transition from thinking in packs to thinking in milliliters. Generally speaking, an average vaper uses 2-5ml of eliquid a day. This is only a ballpark figure, of course. It depends of how much you vape, the strength of your eliquid, what kind of PV and topper you're using, what wattage you prefer and last but not least, whether you use single or dual coil atomizers.

Very good advice Seanchai. Keep in mind tough that average juice consumption is 3-4 ml a day, so that means 30 ml is good for 10 days max on average. And for someone new to vaping all the juices they buy will probably not be good for them. If they are amenable to spending a few more bucks, 60 ML spread between different juices is probably better.

I knew someone was going to quote those polls, lol. You're entirely right to, of course - that's the kind of info I was looking for when I started, I just didn't realize I was asking the wrong question.

What I recommend probably has something to do with my socioeconomic circle - I live in a very working class area, so I try to recommend the most cost-effective way to *try* vaping. I vape 4-5 mls a day *now*, but when I started, I was still trying to figure this whole ecig thing out, so it was pretty much 2 ml or less because I was running on 808s and cartos and still learning *how* to vape. Once I hit about the one week mark, that's when I knew I was going to be able to *stick* with it (and that I wanted more power, and that I wanted VV/VW, etc), so I picked out a mod and tanks, and some more juice at the same time. Once I had the gear that was going to give me my perfect vape (for now anyway), *then* my consumption went up, both because I enjoyed it more and because I had VV/VW to play with. So I stand by what I said - I think *at least* 30 mls in *at least* 3 flavors is enough for most beginners to try it out for long enough to see if they like it. The key words there are "at least," at bare minimum. 30 ml is what will give you a decent sampling period if there's no extra money around and you're giving up your analog budget for a few days to try it, as is the case with most people in my area.

If for whatever reason a beginner is going to start with a VV model, I'd recommend at least 60 ml, because higher voltage can affect juice consumption pretty drastically... but I don't know many people who want to start off with VV. It's too much for most people to learn and worry about fiddling with when they're used to "light up and breathe in" to get their nic fix.

I have a friend who's in IT and computer repair (so he's a tinkerer by nature, as am I) and I actually *tried* to get him to start with a Twist... even he found it too intimidating to consider, and wanted a cig-a-like. Two weeks later, I was helping him shop for a VV mod.

I'm not saying that *makes sense*, because it makes no logical sense at all from a person who builds computers for a living (him) or for me, a person whose first task when I got my power chair was to crack open the control box so I could remove the limiter, to be intimidated by the dial on the bottom of a VV Ego... but what can I say, we were. We both love VV now, but we needed that cig-a-like to get going. My mother, father, stepmother and grandfather want *no* part of VV, and rarely even hit 2ml a day yet - it's been two months for my mother and about two weeks for the others, and they're all still dealing with the learning curve. Even when they figure it out, I don't see them moving on from 808s and regular Egos. My mother won't vape anything other than an automatic 808 because she maintains hitting a button is way too much hassle just to get her nic. (Her words, not mine!)

What I'm saying here in my usual longwinded way is I don't think an *ECF member's* average is the same as a *beginner's* average liquid consumption. There will always be outliers... people who jump straight to a Provari or a mech mod and suck down 10 mls a day from day one. But for most people who are just *curious*, and who may or may not have disposable income to spend (when you're a smoker, your smokes budget is generally not considered transferable!)... *at least* 30 ml is a good benchmark, especially when you have no idea what juice you like. I'd hate to tell someone who's never vaped before to lay in 150 ml for a virtually guaranteed month's supply, and then they order 150 mls of juice they happen to hate, think all vaping sucks, and never try it again. Smaller orders (that are still large enough for you to get the idea) make the inevitable mistakes (wrong juice, wrong gear) less financially painful.
 

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There is a range of cigarette strengths, from ultralights with holes punched in them to strong unfiltered. There are different lengths of cigarettes. The government doesn't take those into consideration when taxing--just the number of twenty of them in a pack. Cartons are made the way they are so distributors can tax stamp the packs. There's a general feeling Congress will eventually tax e-liquid, so discussion of equivalency is relevant if they consider e-cigarettes cigarettes, instead of an alternative tobacco product, for tax purposes.

From what I see on this forum, and it certainly varies, the average three milliliter vaper was around 1 PAD before vaping. That's why I consider three milliliters approximately equals one pack of twenty cigarettes, and a thirty milliliter bottle approximately equals a carton of ten packs of cigarettes. That's what I tell 1 PAD smokers who want an estimate.

We have the carto vendors claiming a one milliliter carto equals as much as two packs (NJOY). Can you imagine even having to pay the tax of one pack of cigarettes, much less two, for each milliliter of e-liquid? I think it would be beneficially preemptive if the e-liquid manufacturing community came up with an equivalency before the government does.
 
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