Watch it. Watch it again. Share it with everyone you possibly can. Tell them to watch and share it. Smokers, vapers and especially people who do neither. Because this documentary is not really about vaping, it's about corruption. The corruption of big governments and big companies who are putting money before public health.
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I'd say forget about it, Jman - this film is going to do our side an awful lot of good. It's put together by a truly dispassionate group of filmmakers who are trying to get an accurate picture of ALL the actors (good and bad) in the story.
And I hope vapers can forgive them for accepting some of the entrenched stuff - it's literally impossible for them to wade through everything and be 100% accurate. I mean, just from that intro presentation, you should be able to see how the story is being cast.
And I hope vapers can forgive them for accepting some of the entrenched stuff - it's literally impossible for them to wade through everything and be 100% accurate. I mean, just from that intro presentation, you should be able to see how the story is being cast.
Promising. The topic deserves modern production values and good theatrics. I think the vaping story is all about governments, who take most of the money, and NGO's, who get most of the money. I think the tobacco and drug compaies are the vultures, not the preditors. They are waiting for something to die so they can dive in and feed on it.
DIY was my revelation. A quality vape can be absurdly cheap. With a few hundred dollars worth of stuff I can vape for years and expect to resupply only VG, PG, favoring, and batteries. I hope the documentary looks carefully at the economics of vaping. $3,000 a year to smoke a carton a week vs. about $50 for a year supply of DIY. That's what could end the Tobacco Age.
DIY was my revelation. A quality vape can be absurdly cheap. With a few hundred dollars worth of stuff I can vape for years and expect to resupply only VG, PG, favoring, and batteries. I hope the documentary looks carefully at the economics of vaping. $3,000 a year to smoke a carton a week vs. about $50 for a year supply of DIY. That's what could end the Tobacco Age.
You could always try the "one day at a time" method; it's worked for me, with alcohol, for over 23 yrs' worth of days now. Because it's ALWAYS "today"... so if you just say "I won't smoke TODAY"... you're covered.
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I ought to have recalled that. My grandfather and uncle had thirty years of one day at a time before each having 1/4 a beer on a very hot Summer's day. They had returned from a Chesapeake bay fishing trip with friends. These friends had left a single beer in a cooler with some fish. It was odd seeing Pap & Buddy 'crack open a cold one'.
After they had their fill such as it was, I got told to get rid of the rest in front of them. Pap then asked. "Not had that for twenty years of your life, need it now?" Pap left November of last year, the docs said it was a blood clot from his calf muscle. Apparently the clot found its way to his heart.
Me and uncle 'Buddy' both both know he's going to have a large mess of perch, bass, muskie waiting for us to clean. Then, we'll go dole out fish to those who need. Finally, we'll go fishing with Pap. We might even sneak up on him in his secret fishing spot. Be something to catch the old General before he does.
Saw my uncle on a recent trip home in VA.. He seemed to be doing well enough, though he also seemed a wraith. Think we all three do, cut from the same cloth. He passed out 'hats' toboggans he had knitted up in his spare time. We had all showed up at a VFW to hear Bluegrass/Country/Gospel jamming. He gave an Amish lady a set of three hats for her three little boys. Their eyes alight as they saw he enjoyed making the hats and giving them freely.
Ah, sorry. Those darn tough guys, ya know. They wind up lost in dusty rooms. Excuse me.
FWIW, Aaron has explained in a number of venues that the offending statement is not contained within the movie itself, but only in the trailer.
Very true. However, there is a crucial difference with ABL using the SHS stat and the billion lives one. That being that there is a large dose of truth in the billion lives sound bite, but none in the SHS one. IMHO it's fine to throw the billion lives thing back at tobacco control liars, because it is a valid tool for shaming them over their stance on e-cigs, but once we start quoting their own entirely baseless (in science) pronouncements, it's tacit endorsement of their entirely baseless pronouncements against vaping.
Hence why I wrote this, and I stand by it.
A Billion Lives, My Take | Dick Puddlecote
I's not just governments or government elected officials screwing everything up though. It's consumers and businesses too. Same thing is taking place with firearms as well if you haven't noticed. One or more individuals / smaller groups of individuals make guns and vaping look more dangerous than it really is and all hell breaks loose. Why? Because the politicians that we elected haven't found the "time" out of their "busy lives" to educate themselves on the 'Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How'. Consumers are screwing up by not asking the right questions, not taking action when action needs to be taken, and / or not supporting those that are taking action. Businesses do this too. A lot of businesses don't like to answer the questions properly when they're asked or when problems arrive. So who do we blame? The easiest people / person to blame is local state and federal officials, because we as people - don't like pointing our fingers at ourselves. I sure don't like taking blame, but I will if I'm the one at fault. Businesses don't like taking blame because it's "bad publicity" and "bad business" - oh well, you're a business for christs sake, own a bit of responsibility for your issues and stand behind the people that buy your products! And the only "bad businesses" are those that practice shady dealings and avoid conflict altogether. I've stated this before in the past and will continue to state sometime in the near future... unless the people and the businesses stand up and say "Hey, this is wrong and unjustifiable..." then guess what? We'll be fighting forever. Want to know what? If you haven't taken a stand and supported CASAA or Vaping Malitia, or ANY of the other vaping advocacy groups, take the time and do so. If advocacy groups aren't your thing, then deal with YOUR representatives as you see fit in ANY means necessary. (And no I'm not talking VIOLENTLY EITHER!)
Why should you do any of the above? Because they were voted in by the people to REPRESENT the people. Even if nothing is done about any of this, at least you can say, "Hey I tried, I fought, I lost... but I WON'T GIVE UP!" and THEN and ONLY THEN can you BLAME SOMEONE!
And another thing, RESEARCH, SCIENCE, AND EVIDENCE will need to be conducted and brought forth PROVING vaping to be a much safer alternative than smoking. So help fund your scientists and such as well.
Just watched this @BuGlen. Any word anyone on Aaron B's meet up with the OMB yesterday? Haven't run across much on what's comin' out of these appointments.
Good luck all.
Here is what Aaron presented to the OMB.
Well, I did bring in around $400 weekly once. *chuckles* No longer do that. Wife brings that for two weeks. I won't even start on how unfair that seems. The $400 I brought in was ~ 5-7 years ago, and weekly not every two weeks. I was also full time. Wife is only still part time. Still not sure that accounts, yet will digress.
So, I would have needed to worked say 11 weeks out of 52 to pay for ~$4,000 of cigarettes. I add a week to give a buffer. That leaves 41 weeks to pay for food, clothing, shelter, fuel, utilities, insurance. It is roughly 1/4 of a year finance wise used to pay for cigarettes. That does not allow any sick time, or other emergencies we all know crop up.
Some of the calculations with vaping I've done lower the cost for me to ~$200 yearly. And that is not bothering with DIY juice or coils. Yes, I may need to include ~$15 year for electricity, if I did not use my computer to charge most of my batteries. Even still around $200 comparing to $4,000 creates a vivid perspective. Then count in the added benefit of reducing medical costs, priceless.
Feel bad having smoked two cigarettes this week. They were the first in a month. They will probably be the last at least until next month. I no longer desire cigarettes. When I stumble and smoke them, it is that, stumbling. I wake the next day reminded of how sick they make me. Would like to say, "that's it I'm full done, no more cigarettes", but not sure I'm quite a saint of vaping yet. I'm close, very close.
Saw this in my twitter feed yesterday: A Billion Lives – EXCLUSIVE Interview W. Aaron Biebert
ETA: Here's the original interview with Aaron Biebert on Inside Vaping (YouTube channel), for anyone who missed it the first time:
ETA: Here's the original interview with Aaron Biebert on Inside Vaping (YouTube channel), for anyone who missed it the first time:
I must agree with you and Phillips. As tempting as it may be to maximize the contrast between the health effects of smoking vs. vaping, we should consistently rely on good science. And there's plenty of it to show that vaping is a helluva lot less harmful.
I also believe that it's pointless for us to attack BPH for their exaggerated claims regarding second-hand smoke. That's not our fight, and it's so firmly entrenched in the mind of the public that it would be a virtually impossible task.
I certainly see your point, and in a perfect world I would agree. However, if I can't convince any city council members in my own town to vote against a vaping ban, I doubt it's possible to convince them that second-hand smoke is harmless. These bans seem to be occurring in most cities of any size and in some states as well, and I don't think it can be stopped. There are not enough articulate, well organized and motivated opponents.
Maybe one day some of these laws will be repealed, but that would be most unusual, as government gets more and more intrusive and controlling with the passage of time. It will not happen in my lifetime.
You're exactly right.
"initiated by Godber at the conference, with a specific aim “to emphasize that active cigarette smokers injure those around them, including their families and, especially, any infants that might be exposed involuntarily to ETS."
It is because of junk studies as that in '91 and elsewhere that led to the SHS decision by the US EPA under Carol Browner a few years later - with fudged and cherry-picked studies and skewed, non-normal statistical abuse.
I guess one could say 'to their credit', since the tradition in the US is that someone should be able to do anything as long as it doesn't violate the rights of others (ie. harm them), ... so they HAD to establish that harm (with junk science), so as to make the law "legitimate" - which of course, it isn't.
The "billion" number comes from the WHO (number of people predicted to die from smoking this century) and is completely made up. The number (or any number) doesn't matter. The point is, a lot of people will die from smoking and will live longer if they vape. And there's a lot of money at stake to keep people smoking. IMO, this is beyond corruption, it's criminal.
First you have to get your foot in the door and get somebody to listen with a somewhat open mind. You are working against a host of cognitive biases, e.g., confirmation bias, illusory correlation, Semmelweis bias*, subjective validation, availability cascade (repeat a lie often enough, etc.), bandwagon effect, conservatism bias (discounting the value of new information).
*Named after the doctor who discovered that the incidence of child bed fever infections could be dramatically reduced by doctors washing their hands. Nobody believed him and he was roundly condemned by the medical community. Eventually, he was confined against his will in a mental asylum, where he was severely beaten by guards and died not long afterward from, ironically, an infection.
And about 50 yrs after his find about handwashing, Dr. Lister proposed his radical theories about carbolic acid. Thank goodness, the medical world was slightly more prepared to listen at that point.
Andria
Well, I did bring in around $400 weekly once. *chuckles* No longer do that. Wife brings that for two weeks. I won't even start on how unfair that seems. The $400 I brought in was ~ 5-7 years ago, and weekly not every two weeks. I was also full time. Wife is only still part time. Still not sure that accounts, yet will digress.
So, I would have needed to worked say 11 weeks out of 52 to pay for ~$4,000 of cigarettes. I add a week to give a buffer. That leaves 41 weeks to pay for food, clothing, shelter, fuel, utilities, insurance. It is roughly 1/4 of a year finance wise used to pay for cigarettes. That does not allow any sick time, or other emergencies we all know crop up.
Some of the calculations with vaping I've done lower the cost for me to ~$200 yearly. And that is not bothering with DIY juice or coils. Yes, I may need to include ~$15 year for electricity, if I did not use my computer to charge most of my batteries. Even still around $200 comparing to $4,000 creates a vivid perspective. Then count in the added benefit of reducing medical costs, priceless.
Feel bad having smoked two cigarettes this week. They were the first in a month. They will probably be the last at least until next month. I no longer desire cigarettes. When I stumble and smoke them, it is that, stumbling. I wake the next day reminded of how sick they make me. Would like to say, "that's it I'm full done, no more cigarettes", but not sure I'm quite a saint of vaping yet. I'm close, very close.
You could always try the "one day at a time" method; it's worked for me, with alcohol, for over 23 yrs' worth of days now. Because it's ALWAYS "today"... so if you just say "I won't smoke TODAY"... you're covered.
Andria
That was my thought, too -- they show all these ignorant lawmakers and ANTZ spouting their ignorance, but don't do a very good job of identifying that it IS ignorance being spouted. I really think that needs to be made a lot more clear.
Andria
Yes, it has been lifted. Dick Durbin now appears as a Dick.Have run into this before - don't know if it's ECF or ECF's censor. I think the 'dick' censor has been lifted so to speak
Have run into this before - don't know if it's ECF or ECF's censor. I think the 'dick' censor has been lifted so to speak
Then we should celebrate!
His name was Dick and this has nothing to do with E-cigs, but I have been here one year tonight, so I am entitled to an off topic post.
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