A Concern about ECig-promotion

[lunger123]

I'm seeing various threads that speak of how many people "converted", which thereafter follows with vitriol against the government and their taxes, etc. being affected by this "change".


Now, I don't really care what the government does in this case - because bottom line whatever the government decides to do with the ecigs, and whatever anti-government dogma anyone has to say about it is really besides the point, here.

The point is you're dealing with a new tool that is being widely used to substitute for regular cigarettes. These tools do have some testing being done, but surely not the kind of testing we all REALLY want done. So really "converting people" to ecigs may sound like a novel, noble, life-saving idea, but considering Ecigs themselves can affect people adversely (see the Brit guy who may or may not have died as a result of the ecig), I'm not so sure taking pride in making people switch is a good idea at this point in time.


I'm not trying to make people feel bad about it, but i think a reality check should be in order here. I mean, what's the real goal here? To get people off cigarettes out of conern for their health, or to rally against the federal government and "stick it to the man"? This is what Im seeing much of here...and I think it looks ugly. And it doesn't help the cause.

We're talking about people's lives here. And I think the only time anybody should be celebrating any kind of so-called "victory" is when it's proven to be a SAFE alternative, once and for all.


Just my two cents, people.

I'm vaping right now on Npro and Blu (and have finally decided to go through with this "experiment" and accepting any unknown adverse effects that may be caused) but you won't be seeing me converting anybody or celebrating it, because I'm as much a guinea pig as the rest of y'all are.


Anyway, here's to the ecig (or even any upcoming nicotine vaporizer technology) replacing cigarettes for good and ALL. Because we all know cigs SUCK, but ecigs insofar seem to be the only best bet when it comes to inhaling a stimulant.

 

[OwnedByAGrey]

I don't feel bad about it, nor ashamed, nor as though I'm a guinea pig. But, thanks for your concern.

 

[Hoosier]

OK, so don't promote it.

The only SAFE thing is to inhale nothing but clean, pure, air. Anything else carries risk.

Do what you are comfortable with.

We tend to rail against government here because most of us would just rather be left alone, to make adult choices for ourselves rather than have someone else make them for us. If you feel differently, that's your choice.

 

[salemgold]

OK, so don't promote it.

The only SAFE thing is to inhale nothing but clean, pure, air. Anything else carries risk.

Do what you are comfortable with.

We tend to rail against government here because most of us would just rather be left alone, to make adult choices for ourselves rather than have someone else make them for us. If you feel differently, that's your choice.

Well said. +1

 

[hairball]

Sorry I don't feel like a guinea pig. Boston University has done testing on ecigs and have proven that they are a safe alternative to cigarettes. I don't know where you get your info but you need to keep digging deeper. Go to the CASAA website and start reading. Knowledge is everything when it comes to ecigs.

 

[ShannonA]

I think he has a point... on most of it. We're not really guinea pigs because we choose to be a part of this experiment.

We really can't see how these could be anything but better than regular cigs.... BUT how many things have we found out the hard way about thinking they were safe at 1st. It kind of makes me think of "I am Legend" yeah it was over the top but we see everyday a pill that cures one problem causes another. Even the ever so trusted Tylenol has been found to cause health problems under certain conditions. You just don't know till you know.

On the other hand KNOWING what we let ourselves in for by continuing to smoke I'd say it's a calculated risk. I don't think I will try to convert until I have more data but if people ask I'll tell them what I know and then point them here... maybe even let them give it a try if they ask.... I wouldn't tell anyone that they are healthy I think even saying healthier is walking a fine line right now.

 

[Sdh]

Just to add some information to op...the guy who died already had compromized lung functioning. Being a former smoker we did do some damage to our delicate lung tissue. Some of us may have COPD. I read about that case and my findings is that ecigs was the scapegoat with no known proof. Other than he had used a ecig...some of the vapors on this forum have evaped longer than this fellow.

Everything has risk. From a nurses viewpoint I can add my own personal account. Before starting the vaping I had so many bouts with bronchotis. My lungs were presenting with adventitious sounds from wheezing to crackling. I was only smoking a pack a day. However, when I was younger I smoked two pad. Since utilizing the ecig my lung function has returned to normal, spo2 is around 97%. (A test that is used to see how much o2 is in the blood). No wheezing/congestion noted. In addition, I don't have SOB (shortness of breath). I no longer have to go get the emegergy nebulizer treatments or use the occasional albuterol inhaler. So yes I think I can promote this...I also state YMMV and tell the folks I am helping that they could have a side effect or adverse effect..nothing is sacred from ill effects.

I had another nurse beg me to show her how to use a ecig...how can I not promote this to her. She smokes 2 packs of newports daily. She needs nicotine to help her fibro...so yes I helped her. I feel good about it as well. I gave her a choice of being free to being a slave to tobacco.

I had also converted/helped a man who had COPD with his actuall lung function severly compromized. The man left rehab with his ecig his sister bought him with an outlook of survival.

BTW I got suckered into the anti ecig thing when I first started on ECF. There are always going to be people who add to the drama. I have done my research and in my conclusion it is by far safer than cigarettes. If I didn't vape I would be smoking.

 

[Darkwitless]

It's a calculated risk I'm ready to take.

The hazards of smoking are known, but still the gov't let us do it because it makes them a ton of money. Don't lie to yourself about why cigs are still legal.

Every Nicotine Replacement Therapy has it's risks. I choose to use this as a replacement. I've cut my nic to between 6 and 12 depending on the day and flavor.

The patch gave me headaches and had me climbing the walls and still I wanted to smoke!
Don't get me started on the dangers of Chantix and Welbutrin. As the Chantix kicked in my friend smoked more because the Nic receptor blocker kicked in (which is what Chantix does) and she still craved the nic. My sister increased her smoking on Welbutrin and suffered panic attacks.

The only thing that worked for me was getting pregnant - where everything from shampoo scent to crackers made me heave. Of course after the babies were weaned and life "happened" I reached for 20 of my best friends to help me cope.

I think I'll continue to vape even at 0 mg, because I love the action of it. The routine. Some people chew finger nails. Others suck their thumb. I've grab my PV.

 

[ShannonA]

She needs nicotine to help her fibro...so yes I helped her. I feel good about it as well. I gave her a choice of being free to being a slave to tobacco.

I didn't know nicotine helped with that... my mother has that I wonder if she knows.

 

[ShannonA]

I think I'll continue to vape even at 0 mg, because I love the action of it. The routine. Some people chew finger nails. Others suck their thumb. I've grab my PV.

I think that will be me too it's the action I just can't seem to let go of.

 

[redheadone]

here is my feelings on this. First I don't think I am a test subject. I decided on my own after smoking for thirty five years and slowly killing myself. As for the government I am not wanting to stick it to them. I jsut want to be left alone and do what is best for me I pay taxes support my country and don't break the law at least not yet anways. But when the government tries to step in and take away my right to do what is best for my body then darn right I am going to step in and fight. They don't say anything when you go nuts on medicines they declare is safe They don't say anything when you are killing yourself on cigarettes so why should have any right to say anything about vaping I wouldn't mind if I did have to pay a tax on e-cigs as long as they don't take away my right to do it

 

[techtony]

I think this is more like promoting hybrid cars. they're not 100% safe for the environment but they are safER. Ecigs are not 100% safe, but smoking IS 100% bad for you.

I promote them for a healthier life style for those that can't break tobacco's grip any other way. Sticking it to the man is just a bonus

 

[Sdh]

I didn't know nicotine helped with that... my mother has that I wonder if she knows.

Yes their is conflicting studies towards this..nicotine can block pain receptors. Its one of those YMMV..for some it works while others it does not..kind of like Prozac. Smoking on the other hand is not good with all those added chemicals to the brew. Most doctors will say no to nicotine. However, on the pain therapy aspect fibro can be crippling as well. She is so addicted to smoking cigs that vaping could not hurt her at this point...Also there are new studies about nicotine for treatment of neruobiological disorders. (ADD, autism, parkinson, and dementia to cite a few.)

On the other hand nicotine can also stimulate the nervous system. It is suggested to not use nictine in fibro patients.

Prozac and other SSRI are prescribed for fibro. Nicotine should be reduced in fibro patients though. For my friend the nicotine helps her fuction.

 

[cigarbabe]

Frankly I don't care how railing about the government makes me look to other people
because I don't know all those others and my friends, take me as I am.
I am very proud to have converted several other people including family members
waitresses in restaurants, workers at CVS, patients in my doctors office and a few people on the street.
It is far and away a better choice than smoking will ever be and I don't feel like a guinea pig.
I am a vaper by choice, I am an adult fully capable of making that choice and I will not be made to feel as if I am causing harm by recommending another adult try vaping if they ask me. I will also not be a stealth vaper because some think I shouldn't vape in public or where smoking isn't allowed, I vape openly and proudly.
I participated in the B.U. Study and was happy and proud that I could be used to perhaps further the vaping cause. My doctors also advocate vaping over smoking and has asked me to talk to patients and as an aside it has improved my lung function too.
I was a 2 on the "how well is your Asthma/COPD controlled" test and now I have an almost perfect score, I stand at 24 the top is 25. I also don't use any of my inhalers and steroids when I needed 4 inhalers plus medication to control it before just 5 1/2 months ago, badly I might add.
I am an adult who vapes proudly!
C.B.

 

[ShannonA]

here is my feelings on this. First I don't think I am a test subject. I decided on my own after smoking for thirty five years and slowly killing myself. As for the government I am not wanting to stick it to them. I jsut want to be left alone and do what is best for me I pay taxes support my country and don't break the law at least not yet anways. But when the government tries to step in and take away my right to do what is best for my body then darn right I am going to step in and fight. They don't say anything when you go nuts on medicines they declare is safe They don't say anything when you are killing yourself on cigarettes so why should have any right to say anything about vaping I wouldn't mind if I did have to pay a tax on e-cigs as long as they don't take away my right to do it

Well they did say something about the cigs but they didn't ban them partially because the tobacco industry is deeply embedded in our economy... so hey tax them instead use people ill health to our advantage.

I have a hard time staying off my soapbox on this issue because of the so called marketing to kids.... the commercials had to go, the flavors had to go... Winston Cup became Sprint Cup (really?) all because the tobacco companies were trying to make cigs cool. Of course they were that's how you sell! However the beer companies are free to make alcohol look cool...why? because it's socially acceptable. Hypocrisy really burns me.

And now they are turning to target vaping. Geeze people leave us alone already. You don't want us hurting other people with our habit. I can identify with that but now we're not so leave us be. If we vaped a beer I'm sure it'd be fine.

Sorry to rant

 

[ShannonA]

Yes their is conflicting studies towards this..nicotine can block pain receptors. Its one of those YMMV..for some it works while others it does not..kind of like Prozac. Smoking on the other hand is not good with all those added chemicals to the brew. Most doctors will say no to nicotine. However, on the pain therapy aspect fibro can be crippling as well. She is so addicted to smoking cigs that vaping could not hurt her at this point...Also there are new studies about nicotine for treatment of neruobiological disorders. (ADD, autism, parkinson, and dementia to cite a few.)

On the other hand nicotine can also stimulate the nervous system. It is suggested to not use nictine in fibro patients.

Prozac and other SSRI are prescribed for fibro. Nicotine should be reduced in fibro patients though. For my friend the nicotine helps her fuction.

You gotta watch those anti- depressants my hubby went through awful withdrawals getting off zoloft... moody OMG was he moody. I wasn't sure we were going to survive him quiting... after he got through that part he didn't act any different than when he was taking them. Which makes me think he never needed them in the 1st place.

 

[cigarbabe]

Well they did say something about the cigs but they didn't ban them partially because the tobacco industry is deeply embedded in our economy... so hey tax them instead use people ill health to our advantage.

I have a hard time staying off my soapbox on this issue because of the so called marketing to kids.... the commercials had to go, the flavors had to go... Winston Cup became Sprint Cup (really?) all because the tobacco companies were trying to make cigs cool. Of course they were that's how you sell! However the beer companies are free to make alcohol look cool...why? because it's socially acceptable. Hypocrisy really burns me.

And now they are turning to target vaping. Geeze people leave us alone already. You don't want us hurting other people with our habit. I can identify with that but now we're not so leave us be. If we vaped a beer I'm sure it'd be fine.

Sorry to rant

Exactly!
It's the hypocrisy that burns my ... too!
You do your damnedest to change a vile habit and still it isn't enough?
Well to hell with that I say.
Rant on, Vape on Shannon!
C.B.

 

[Sdh]

I wonder why this thread was started without research...and yes...Cigarbabe ad Shannon... I agree..We have the right to vape and promote our vaping as we see fit!

 

[elan123]

I wonder why this thread was started without research...and yes...Cigarbabe ad Shannon... I agree..We have the right to vape and promote our vaping as we see fit!

This guy has started a few threads like this and he never comes back to respond, he just wants to start something.... like a guy trying to cause a riot, its annoying and getting old.

 

[Sdh]

This guy has started a few threads like this and he never comes back to respond, he just wants to start something.... like a guy trying to cause a riot, its annoying and getting old.

Thanks...I will stop feeding this thread....