A little battery help please.

[apuck]

It has been awhile since I bought any batteies, and the last ones I got were the Panasonic CGR18650CH batteries that everyone loved. These are becoming harder and harder to find, and I'm curious as to what has replaced them if anything. I'm also looking for some solid 18350s.

What do you all suggest for both 18650 and 18350 OTHER than the CGR18650CH?

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

I get my IMR batteries from

Genuine AW Batteries at RTD Vapor

 

[DoogieTony]

What are you using them in?

AW batteries are solid performers.
For 18650s I prefer AW 1600MAH.

 

[Thrasher]

for 350's i would use the AW's
but for the 18650s many of us have moved to these now that they quit making the 2250's

NCR18650PD High Drain Panasonic 18650 2900 mAh Li-ion Battery free shipping from Florida

absolutely love them.

 

[Ryedan]

It has been awhile since I bought any batteies, and the last ones I got were the Panasonic CGR18650CH batteries that everyone loved. These are becoming harder and harder to find, and I'm curious as to what has replaced them if anything. I'm also looking for some solid 18350s.

What do you all suggest for both 18650 and 18350 OTHER than the CGR18650CH?

For mechanical mods, with SR coils I would go with AW IMR 2,000 mAh.

For sub-ohm coils it al depends on how low you go and your comfort level. I use MNKE rated for 20 A and Sony rated for 30 A. Both are lower in mAh at 1,500, but I know I'll never get close to 20 A in normal use and if I ever have a hard short these won't burn. AW IMR 1,600 mAh are excellent also.

In 18350 I would only buy AW IMR.

 

[apuck]

for 350's i would use the AW's
but for the 18650s many of us have moved to these now that they quit making the 2250's

NCR18650PD High Drain Panasonic 18650 2900 mAh Li-ion Battery free shipping from Florida

absolutely love them.

Sounds like the AW IMR is the way to go for the 18350. I like the idea of the NCR18650PD, anybody else have any opinions on them?

 

[Ryedan]

Sounds like the AW IMR is the way to go for the 18350. I like the idea of the NCR18650PD, anybody else have any opinions on them?

Have a look at post #27 in this thread. I would not consider these for my PV without a protection board added and I have seen them come with it. I vape sub-ohm coils and would not consider them for that use at all.

 

[the4thpower3]

http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf2/ACI4000/ACI4000CE17.pdf

 

[tearose50]

Does anyone have a copy of the same type of report from Panasonic on the CGR18650CH? I'd like a copy for my files.

I would also like more info. The reference does not designate A, B, PD or the one simply labeled NCR18650 with no initial. All NRC18650(?) are not the same. So, what's the story? Curious minds want to know.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

As I understand, the grey jacket CGR/CH are no longer being manufactured, and Panasonic is replacing them with the NCR18650B and NCR18650A.

Randy, from RTD, told me in an email that the 18650A's and 18650B's are protected, hybrid chemistry batteries. This is different from what Shek told me in the thread linked above. He believes that the NCR18650's are unprotected ICR's.

Unprotected ICR's can be dangerous, regardless of what device they're used in. I have a pair of unprotected ICR 18350's that are now going to be used in very low demand devices that simply broadcast their lat/lon in preset intervals. If it turns out that the green jacket 18650B's I have are also unprotected ICR's, then that just means my GPS devices will last a year instead of 2-3 months.

 

[apuck]

As I understand, the grey jacket CGR/CH are no longer being manufactured, and Panasonic is replacing them with the NCR18650B and NCR18650A.

Randy, from RTD, told me in an email that the 18650A's and 18650B's are protected, hybrid chemistry batteries. This is different from what Shek told me in the thread linked above. He believes that the NCR18650's are unprotected ICR's.

Unprotected ICR's can be dangerous, regardless of what device they're used in. I have a pair of unprotected ICR 18350's that are now going to be used in very low demand devices that simply broadcast their lat/lon in preset intervals. If it turns out that the green jacket 18650B's I have are also unprotected ICR's, then that just means my GPS devices will last a year instead of 2-3 months.

This is my gripe with vaping, it can be so damned confusing.

I just want a good battery for a VV/VW device like the Vamo, SID, SVD, etc. Protected? Unprotected? High drain? Li-Ion? Hybrid chemistry? Unprotected ICR? It's a foreign language to me. Could I do the research and learn everything there is to know about batteries? Sure I could, but really don't have the desire. I just want to find something that I can toss in and go. I want something that has long life, isn't going to explode in my face, and can be thrown in my charger. The CGR18650CH fit the bill, and was the hands down favorite for most everyone. There has to be something similar on the market now.

 

[tearose50]

It should be noted that not all A's and B's are protected batteries. Both protected and unprotected cels are manufactured and all A's and B's currently on RTD's site are not protected. RTD does make this clear, if one knows to look for that.

It makes sense to me that the protected versions would be good where protected batteries are appropriate.....but that's not what many vapers are interested in. It's high C rating, long life, high drain capabilities and frequently, lowest price.

These requirements (except cost) are needed for vv/vw devices and High C rating is even more important for some of the hard switch mech crowd.

Highest C rating seems to be where most of the interest lies these days and the idea of safer chemistry seems to be lost in the shuffle with these green batteries.

I personally don't have enough data on the PD's that I can assimilate yet to be able to recommend them. I know it has been assumed they are the replacement and perhaps an improvement over the CGR--CH's, but they are very different from what I can understand. These could be good differences, but does anyone really know?

 

[Baditude]

This is my gripe with vaping, it can be so damned confusing.

I just want a good battery for a VV/VW device like the Vamo, SID, SVD, etc. Protected? Unprotected? High drain? Li-Ion? Hybrid chemistry? Unprotected ICR? It's a foreign language to me. Could I do the research and learn everything there is to know about batteries? Sure I could, but really don't have the desire. I just want to find something that I can toss in and go.There has to be something similar on the market now.

My feeling is if you aren't going to put in the time to learn battery chemistries you have three choices:

1 - choose the recommended safest battery we have without regard to mah rating,

2 - choose not to use a mod to vape with,

3 - risk the consequences of ignorance.

AW IMR batteries are the batteries recommended by the ECF guru's. (Now you know). Those guys know batteries. AWs are easy to find, and they are affordable if you consider what the consequences are of using the wrong battery are.

(reference http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html)

 

[tearose50]

This is my gripe with vaping, it can be so damned confusing.

I just want a good battery for a VV/VW device like the Vamo, SID, SVD, etc. Protected? Unprotected? High drain? Li-Ion? Hybrid chemistry? Unprotected ICR? It's a foreign language to me. Could I do the research and learn everything there is to know about batteries? Sure I could, but really don't have the desire. I just want to find something that I can toss in and go. I want something that has long life, isn't going to explode in my face, and can be thrown in my charger. The CGR18650CH fit the bill, and was the hands down favorite for most everyone. There has to be something similar on the market now.

Yes there is. It's called an AW lMR battery. 2000mAh or 1600mAh in 18650 sizes. Safer chemistry battery. Also, best performing brand for 18490 and 18350 sizes to date. It's not new, it's been on the market for awhile and has been top pick on the ECF list of preferred batteries for quite some time, and still is. It is true that the CGR18650CH's are excellent batteries for our uses, as well, and are also on that list. Their design and chemistry is in the "safer" category.

And, I might add, the AW lMR batteries are suitable for all of our single battery mods -- regulated or unregulated, high tech or low tech, high ohm or low ohm and the more extreme elements.

When I get confused --- I go see what ECF recommends.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

The AW IMR 1600 outperforms the 2000 in every way as far as unregulated vaping goes.

I always suggest it to people asking for batteries since it has a good track record and performs great.

 

[Ryedan]

http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf2/ACI4000/ACI4000CE17.pdf

Thank you!

 

[Ryedan]

Does anyone have a copy of the same type of report from Panasonic on the CGR18650CH? I'd like a copy for my files.

I would also like more info. The reference does not designate A, B, PD or the one simply labeled NCR18650 with no initial. All NRC18650(?) are not the same. So, what's the story? Curious minds want to know.

That report from Pansonic was for the NCR series batteries.

Then there are the NRC18650x batteries.

Sheesh, can things get any more confusing?!

 

[Thrasher]

Have a look at post #27 in this thread. I would not consider these for my PV without a protection board added and I have seen them come with it. I vape sub-ohm coils and would not consider them for that use at all.

make sure you also read post 78 where i show his "proof" to be misleading and unproven. it is a fact that panasonic does not release chemical mix data to the public so I still challenge anyone to show me how they know what these batteries are made of or tests that show how safe they are/arent. several top mod vendors right here in there own forums are really impressed with these batteries. as well as many from the flashlight forums.
we talk about pushing the envelope, about moving forward, about new technology, yet when it comes to this one area everyone clenches their cheeks in fear. people will push an unknown like a .3 ohm coil but whoa, change to a newer battery? no way dude!

maybe some experienced users from GG will help me out here lol
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...8650-2900mah-high-drain-version-part-1-a.html


( I too am for being safe but we cant constantly fear change or taking a chance in a new direction, or we would still be vaping bluefoam in cartos )

 

[tearose50]

Thank you Thrasher for the link. Much appreciated and informative.

 

[Ryedan]

Make sure you also read post 78 where i show his "proof" to be misleading and unproven. it is a fact that panasonic does not release chemical mix data to the public so I still challenge anyone to show me how they know what these batteries are made of or tests that show how safe they are/arent. several top mod vendors right here in there own forums are really impressed with these batteries. as well as many from the flashlight forums.

Thank you Thrasher. Very good points and after reading some of the link below I'm thinking the NCR18650PD is looking pretty damn good!

We talk about pushing the envelope, about moving forward, about new technology, yet when it comes to this one area everyone clenches their cheeks in fear. people will push an unknown like a .3 ohm coil but whoa, change to a newer battery? no way dude!

There is nothing wrong in my opinion with waiting until the facts are in before embracing anything new. I come from a manufacturing background and I am slow to change when the stakes are high. I've been bit once or twice. Once or twice is all I'm willing to admit to right now . However once I'm reasonably sure I get it and that 'it' is OK, I accept it.