making juice is not as easy at it seems,i have had some bad experiences with usa made juices.
i think usa juice makers still have a lot to learn from china.
here is a list of problems i have had with some usa made juices
1.the vapor smells bad
2.chemical taste
3.steeping
4.and colored glass medicine bottles with droppers, bottles should be clear so u can see whats going on in there..lol
don't get me wrong i have had some great usa made juices,but i think that if you are going to make your own and sell it u need to first go to china or somewhere and learn exactly how its done,then come back and make your own.
Thanks for the comments rayquitsmoking!
First, no one said anything about a juice being easy to make. The rant was about steeping and a juice vendor either pre-steeping or suggesting a steep time so that the juice tastes as they intend it to.
I agree and have had similar experience with some American made juices. Notably, Vapor Renu. IMO not good at all. Didn't like the throat hit from the GA and the vapor flavor screamed of fog fluid.
When I order Dekang, they have been pretty consistent. Consistent in vapor, throat hit, and flavor. But since it's coming from a single company, I would expect that.
Let's face it, most American vendors are small, garage based business that are either passionate about vaping, trying to make a buck, or some combination of the two. They are all going to have different formulas, they are all going to use different ingredients, they are all going to produce different results. That's why you gotta try and watch the reviews... However...
There is no excuse for putting out a bad product when you have a resource like the ECF at your disposal. Any vendor can contact any one of us, including myself and say, "hey, I don't want you to review it, but can you please try this juice (or product), tell me what you think, and offer some suggestions for improvement. I'm SURE most of us would be happy to help. I'm also sure that the good vendors are already doing this AND listening.
I personally have experience in UI, VUI, and GUI design and am very outspoken when it comes to interfaces, I know it would translate.
Putting out crappy flavors just so that you can have 500 different flavors over another companies 400 is just plain stupid.
What does Gordon Ramsay do on almost EVERY episode of Kitchen Nightmares? Simplify the menu in order to produce a better product. This should be food for thought for some of these vendors.
As far as your comment...
"u need to first go to china or somewhere and learn exactly how its done,then come back and make your own"
....That's a tough sell for me. Personally, I say ignore what China is doing and figure a way to put out a superior product at a better price. We don't need to learn from China, we need to surpass China.
Now that statement transcends the world of e-juice and is something we, as a nation need to learn to do, and quick!
The fact that I can buy... say... a cell phone battery, just as good as anything I can buy here, from China and have it be cheaper than anything I can buy here INCLUDING shipping, is a real problem this country is facing.
Thank you FDA, EPA, Commissions, Government, Politicians, Politics, Parties, Bureaucracy, Red Tape, Etc, Etc, Etc... All the things that make this Country fail... uh I mean... great.
But I digress...
Again, thanks for the comments and keep watching the reviews!