A PBusardo Rant then Review : Tasty Vapor - Peach Cobbler

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CapableVapable

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Dude, you are such a breath of fresh air when it comes to video reviews. Every one of your pre-review rants makes me want to get out of my chair and dance around the room screaming "Amen! Amen, brother!" In fact, I did do that this time, and I am now banned from the library for a period of time no shorter than two weeks.

Anyway, I couldn't agree more about steeping. For some reason, there's this thought among many here that "Oh, this vendor made my juice fresh with his own hands when I ordered it. You, plebe, might be satisfied with some old dusty juice off the shelf, but I prefer mine freshly made, even if that means I have to steep it." But...but...two things: One, does it really matter whether the juice sits for a month on the vendor's shelf or on a shelf in your closet? It's still sitting, right? Two, just because a juice is made to order doesn't say anything about how long the ingredients themselves have been sitting around. I dunno. I notice that a lot of people on here have some very strange thoughts that don't really jive up with the way normal humans think about things. These reviews are the same way. I've seen people with a hundred juice reviews on Youtube and every single review is positive! Why, that's simply remarkable.

Anyway, went on a little rant of my own there. Thanks for "keeping it real", as the kids say.
 

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Dude, you are such a breath of fresh air when it comes to video reviews. Every one of your pre-review rants makes me want to get out of my chair and dance around the room screaming "Amen! Amen, brother!" In fact, I did do that this time, and I am now banned from the library for a period of time no shorter than two weeks.

Anyway, I couldn't agree more about steeping. For some reason, there's this thought among many here that "Oh, this vendor made my juice fresh with his own hands when I ordered it. You, plebe, might be satisfied with some old dusty juice off the shelf, but I prefer mine freshly made, even if that means I have to steep it." But...but...two things: One, does it really matter whether the juice sits for a month on the vendor's shelf or on a shelf in your closet? It's still sitting, right? Two, just because a juice is made to order doesn't say anything about how long the ingredients themselves have been sitting around. I dunno. I notice that a lot of people on here have some very strange thoughts that don't really jive up with the way normal humans think about things. These reviews are the same way. I've seen people with a hundred juice reviews on Youtube and every single review is positive! Why, that's simply remarkable.

Anyway, went on a little rant of my own there. Thanks for "keeping it real", as the kids say.

Ha! Your rant made me laugh and I agree. So for that and the kind words and the fact that I LOVE the Bumble, you get the juice! PM me your mailing address and I'll get it out to you plus a little more. Try it, like it, or throw it out!

Thanks!

To everyone else, thanks for the comments, kind words, and compliments. Keep them coming! There will be more giveaways!
 
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... just because a juice is made to order doesn't say anything about how long the ingredients themselves have been sitting around. I dunno. I notice that a lot of people on here have some very strange thoughts that don't really jive up with the way normal humans think about things.

I knew there was something wrong with me.
 

CapableVapable

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Ha! Your rant made me laugh and I agree. So for that and the kind words and the fact that I LOVE the Bumble, you get the juice! PM me your mailing address and I'll get it out to you plus a little more. Try it, like it, or throw it out!

Thanks!

To everyone else, thanks for the comments, kind words, and compliments. Keep them coming! There will be more giveaways!

You're the man, man! I never win anything, and now here I won without even trying. This is gonna be a good day (no thanks to you, Public Library.)
 

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making juice is not as easy at it seems,i have had some bad experiences with usa made juices.
i think usa juice makers still have a lot to learn from china.

here is a list of problems i have had with some usa made juices

1.the vapor smells bad
2.chemical taste
3.steeping
4.and colored glass medicine bottles with droppers, bottles should be clear so u can see whats going on in there..lol

don't get me wrong i have had some great usa made juices,but i think that if you are going to make your own and sell it u need to first go to china or somewhere and learn exactly how its done,then come back and make your own.
 

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Two, just because a juice is made to order doesn't say anything about how long the ingredients themselves have been sitting around. I dunno. I notice that a lot of people on here have some very strange thoughts that don't really jive up with the way normal humans think about things. These reviews are the same way. I've seen people with a hundred juice reviews on Youtube and every single review is positive! Why, that's simply remarkable.

Your observation is pretty accurate but there's different types of 'I love 'em all' reviewers. The first type has permissive taste buds and they actually do love every single flavor. Ok, sure. The second type is the 'I got it for free, and I like free stuff, so I'm going to say it's great to get more free stuff but free stuff doesn't effect my opinion' guy. The third fellow is very excited about vaping and therefore 'all things vaping are great'.

There's precious few reviewers like Pbusardo who:
A. Has a blissfully short introduction screen (which is completely appreciated)
and
B. Calls 'em like he sees 'em.

Negative reviews about anything related to vaping flavors are not well received, and that may be another reason why negative reviews are in such short reply. People get pretty emotional and seem to take a critique about a product as almost as personal insult.
 

pbusardo

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making juice is not as easy at it seems,i have had some bad experiences with usa made juices.
i think usa juice makers still have a lot to learn from china.

here is a list of problems i have had with some usa made juices

1.the vapor smells bad
2.chemical taste
3.steeping
4.and colored glass medicine bottles with droppers, bottles should be clear so u can see whats going on in there..lol

don't get me wrong i have had some great usa made juices,but i think that if you are going to make your own and sell it u need to first go to china or somewhere and learn exactly how its done,then come back and make your own.

Thanks for the comments rayquitsmoking!

First, no one said anything about a juice being easy to make. The rant was about steeping and a juice vendor either pre-steeping or suggesting a steep time so that the juice tastes as they intend it to.

I agree and have had similar experience with some American made juices. Notably, Vapor Renu. IMO not good at all. Didn't like the throat hit from the GA and the vapor flavor screamed of fog fluid.

When I order Dekang, they have been pretty consistent. Consistent in vapor, throat hit, and flavor. But since it's coming from a single company, I would expect that.

Let's face it, most American vendors are small, garage based business that are either passionate about vaping, trying to make a buck, or some combination of the two. They are all going to have different formulas, they are all going to use different ingredients, they are all going to produce different results. That's why you gotta try and watch the reviews... However...

There is no excuse for putting out a bad product when you have a resource like the ECF at your disposal. Any vendor can contact any one of us, including myself and say, "hey, I don't want you to review it, but can you please try this juice (or product), tell me what you think, and offer some suggestions for improvement. I'm SURE most of us would be happy to help. I'm also sure that the good vendors are already doing this AND listening.

I personally have experience in UI, VUI, and GUI design and am very outspoken when it comes to interfaces, I know it would translate.

Putting out crappy flavors just so that you can have 500 different flavors over another companies 400 is just plain stupid.

What does Gordon Ramsay do on almost EVERY episode of Kitchen Nightmares? Simplify the menu in order to produce a better product. This should be food for thought for some of these vendors.

As far as your comment...

"u need to first go to china or somewhere and learn exactly how its done,then come back and make your own"

....That's a tough sell for me. Personally, I say ignore what China is doing and figure a way to put out a superior product at a better price. We don't need to learn from China, we need to surpass China.

Now that statement transcends the world of e-juice and is something we, as a nation need to learn to do, and quick!

The fact that I can buy... say... a cell phone battery, just as good as anything I can buy here, from China and have it be cheaper than anything I can buy here INCLUDING shipping, is a real problem this country is facing.

Thank you FDA, EPA, Commissions, Government, Politicians, Politics, Parties, Bureaucracy, Red Tape, Etc, Etc, Etc... All the things that make this Country fail... uh I mean... great.

But I digress...

Again, thanks for the comments and keep watching the reviews!
 
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pbusardo

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Your observation is pretty accurate but there's different types of 'I love 'em all' reviewers. The first type has permissive taste buds and they actually do love every single flavor. Ok, sure. The second type is the 'I got it for free, and I like free stuff, so I'm going to say it's great to get more free stuff but free stuff doesn't effect my opinion' guy. The third fellow is very excited about vaping and therefore 'all things vaping are great'.

There's precious few reviewers like Pbusardo who:
A. Has a blissfully short introduction screen (which is completely appreciated)
and
B. Calls 'em like he sees 'em.

Negative reviews about anything related to vaping flavors are not well received, and that may be another reason why negative reviews are in such short reply. People get pretty emotional and seem to take a critique about a product as almost as personal insult.

Thanks for the comments and compliments!

Note that everything I've reviewed to date I've paid for. With the types of reviews I do, I wouldn't expect vendors to be knocking down my doors with free stuff for me to review. I would accept it, I would even welcome it, but it wouldn't change my style or my opinions at all! The moment that happens, my review become worthless to you and I become a sellout to myself.

The only thing that may change is the order in which I review products.

And you're right, when you put something negative out there about something someone else likes, they do tend to take offense to it. Which is why I flood my reviews with terms like:

"personal preference"
"what works for me"
"at my pace"
"taste is subjective"

Etc, etc.

It is a personal opinion, not a personal attack!! :)

Again, thanks for the compliments and keep watching the reviews.
 

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don't get me wrong i have had some great usa made juices,but i think that if you are going to make your own and sell it u need to first go to china or somewhere and learn exactly how its done,then come back and make your own.

Well, it's not like the stores in the west are going to expose you to the bad tasting juices from China. I'm sure you wouldn't have a hard time finding bad tasting juice if you ever went there, but the stores are only going to sell the better tasting ones.
 

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I agree and have had similar experience with some American made juices. Notably, Vapor Renu. IMO not good at all. Didn't like the throat hit from the GA and the vapor flavor screamed of fog fluid.

So now you tell me. I just placed an order through Vapor Renu....

I'm not a big fan of the chemically induced throat hit (I could be sensitive to PG) so I'm not worried about that, but could you tell me what you mean by fog fluid?

Also, do your vids make it look like there's more vapor than there really is or are your cartos just that good at producing it? I'm using dual coil cartos and I don't think I'm getting that much vapor with the juice I'm currently using.
 

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Well, it's not like the stores in the west are going to expose you to the bad tasting juices from China. I'm sure you wouldn't have a hard time finding bad tasting juice if you ever went there, but the stores are only going to sell the better tasting ones.

if u went to china yourself and seen what they had available there it would probably blow your freaking mind.
 
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