A proper burner made all the difference

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nocigsnomore

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This one was a hassle. The torch died after a few seconds, and it took forever to finish burning the wire and the coil, and the result was not satisfying.

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Bought this today, and burning the wire and coil were a breeze. :)

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The bad:
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The good:
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This one was a hassle. The torch died after a few seconds, and it took forever to finish burning the wire and the coil, and the result was not satisfying.

I never torch my coils. I wrap them tight and they stay together just well. Then I fire and pinch if I need to.

You're absolutely right nocigs. The proximity and intermittent contact of a close contact wind one that didn't make it to coherence is nasty. It can resemble that of a loose post connection or bad termination. Hot, dry and acid. That's not a microcoil.

A tensioned microcoil wind doesn't require torching or compression to maintain it's shape. Will stay stable and on res for a substantial amount of time as per here...One can't help but enjoy a tensioned microcoil and ceramic wickingfor six months.

What so many seem to miss is that the whole purpose for torching is to get the get the wind as tightly packed as possible. Even with squeezing and firing they're never as close together as can be. But you can't get any tighter than a tension wind in nature. No amount of torching can get you that. In fact, it can keep you from getting there.

There's another reason we torch and that's to oxidize which helps prevent overheating of wire by insulating it from shorts. The second part of that process after torching is pulsing. Unfortunately the very carbonization that torching lays down can inhibit the formation of alumina oxide which is what serves to protect the wire from hot spots and shorting.

Lot of folks still relying on old school methods from when we started making micro's. Now we've come to understand the process of why it works and there is a better, faster way which by the way ends up putting more heat on the wick.

The most effective uniform transfer of energy to the wick is what we're after. That's what delivers the vapor and flavor volume we're looking for.

Good luck all.

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Let me rephrase.. I pinch if I have to reposition the coil or if I get a hot leg while dry firing. I get hot legs cuz I suck for some reason

There's likely no way getting around having to pinch and adjust and readjust. Nature of the beast. The ideal I was lookin' for with my research is how do we minimize that and still get a good vape…'cause every time we touch the darn thing we risk ruining our good work. And half the time we don't even see it!

Stik listen, I've got motor control issues. Some days apoplexy could out-wind me. So I gotta cut to the chase. Fastest most direct route to the result. Using tension to get the wind to a point that it's sticky (wants to be a coil) and symmetrical is more than half the battle. I do a lot of dual coils and with tension better than 9/10 there going to fire balanced from the git-go 'cause tension helps you do 'em identical. And that's what you want to be able to do, repeat the experience, get the same great vape…each and every time. But we're human and can still have our not so better days.

Nice thing about tension is if you screw up and you can see it in the wind, specially if you keep a small magnifier handy, then…

bro, it takes seconds to wind another.

Do a few of these and our confidence in the output soars.

And damn if they don't look pretty when they do.


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Good luck all.

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p.s. See my posts on Beginner Coil and other links I noted. Hit me up, and we'll set ya up. Good crew of tension vets on hand.
 
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I totally understand you. The less the human is involved in the mechanical process, the better the coil will be =)

I am trying to work on something that can make winding easier and more automated yet still some what portable and not so cumbersome to store. I'll work on that until my attention span diminishes and something else that is pretty and shiny grabs my attention.
 

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I totally understand you. The less the human is involved in the mechanical process, the better the coil will be =)

I am trying to work on something that can make winding easier and more automated yet still some what portable and not so cumbersome to store. I'll work on that until my attention span diminishes and something else that is pretty and shiny grabs my attention.

Yessir, we all seem to suffer from that affliction.

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Good luck stik.
 

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I'm puzzled. The foul tasting juice is not perfectly ok with my RDA. Don't know if its the other brand of kanthal, or proper burning of the coil that did it. Possible proper burning because I used the same brand of kanthal (Vapor Tech) with the Lemon Mix. Tasted it a while ago and it was terrible. Tried it again yesterday after I got the new torch, and it was nice.

Or maybe it's the wicking that's better. Too many variables too be sure I guess. :)
 
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I'm puzzled. The foul tasting juice is not perfectly ok with my RDA. Don't know if its the other brand of kanthal, or proper burning of the coil that did it. Possible proper burning because I used the same brand of kanthal (Vapor Tech) with the Lemon Mix. Tasted it a while ago and it was terrible. Tried it again yesterday after I got the new torch, and it was nice.

Or maybe it's the wicking that's better. Too many variables too be sure I guess. :)

It's unlikely anything to do with the kanthal or torch... As long as both coils were heating properly (inside out, no hot legs) then it was more than likely either the wicking or the juice steeping (assuming the first time you tried it it wasn't steeped). The only time Kanthal will effect the flavor of your vape is if you have hotspots or you get some really really low quality Kanthal that isn't really Kanthal (Which, since the legit stuff is so cheap, is extremely rare and unlikely).

But glad to hear it's working out better for you :D
 

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I'm puzzled. The foul tasting juice is not perfectly ok with my RDA. Don't know if its the other brand of kanthal, or proper burning of the coil that did it. Possible proper burning because I used the same brand of kanthal (Vapor Tech) with the Lemon Mix. Tasted it a while ago and it was terrible. Tried it again yesterday after I got the new torch, and it was nice.

Or maybe it's the wicking that's better. Too many variables too be sure I guess. :)

I agree with diss above, if the wind's good, firing inside to out, no evident hot spots…you've got to look elsewhere. Still if no overt hot zones, I'd still ouble check your terminal connections are solid. Sometimes filing or subbing screws may help if the source is a connectivity problem.

How does the juice fare with a stock coil or one you wound for another device? The juice is def at issue here.

But so are the metallic properties of the wire you're using. I gotta say I'm always skeptical of wire quality and impurities. Kanthal is a ®brand, a very exclusive one. And I only buy it from reputable sources that designate it as trademark Kanthal. I trust the metal composition consistency from Sandvik with a healthy skepticism as well. We're breathing this stuff. It's ironic to me that the FDA would require vape product vendors to spend fortunes to qualify a juice or other vape product but China can call it Kanthal and we're none the wiser. It's cheap enough authentic as diss pointed out. And the FDA needs to get that we know how to cook our own without their stirrin' the pot. 'Nough said.

Try to isolate that it's not the juice nocig. It's not sounding like an oxidation or termination problem at this point. And you should be able to see if you're getting consistent wick contact with a symmetrical micro wind (watch gravity sag with cotton).

Good luck.

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Very nice coil. :) What kind of type is it?

Hey thanks for the ack. I introduced this coil here on ECF Aug 4/5 last year on super_X_drifters excellent microcoil picture thread...

Once you play with dual-ies...

Twisted center post duals...


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An adaptation of MattyB1503's excellent non-tensioned dual tri-post coil.

The symmetry of the counter rotating (LH/RH pitch) winds is firmly reinforced by the twisted center leads. Not a beginners build but with a little practice and with the effective means to stabilize the build during assembly about the most stable, durable and efficient result you may come across. I've run this successfully in every kind of device including small clearo's like like the Kanger Protank.

Get a tensioned micro workin' for ya. They put a smile on your face.

Good luck.

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Thank You :) Will be exciting to try. This is a fun hobby. :)

Nocigs even a straightforward single t.m.c. will give you a marked improvement in vapor and flavor volume. That very efficient energy transfer is unavoidably evident to anyone managing to get a wind truly sticky with strain. Human hand/eye/mind coordination is what I found seems to be the most efficient way to get there quickly in practical terms. Why piano tuners are successful. We have a great on-board supercomputer. This is why I encourage tension winding as a strategy for new vapers to achieve satisfaction rapidly and I hope you'll try it soon.

Get at one and you'll never give it up. It'll be a routine part of your winding repertoire.

Wish you luck and success.

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MacTechVpr, thank you for your kind help and words. :)

What is a t.m.c? Tried Google, but for no avail. Would like to buy the artistic gizmo, but I saw a Youtube vid of making one with a drill too. What do you recommend?

Piano tuners are great. Wouldn't have much classical music without. :)

Tension micro coil. A light lit. :)
 
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