A though on Silica Wicks, if anyone is interested on the dangers.

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Petekob

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I was trying to find the best type of wick for a Kanger Protank just for my personal benefit. I am still open to any feedback if people have some. I think there are plenty of threads regarding the matter so I have all the information I think I need but more can't hurt. What I was looking for is if I should stick with the silica wick or change to a stainless wick for flavor. I use a Reduced %PG mix because I like getting a lot of cloud vapor and flavor, but it seems to gum up the the tank fast and has a muted flavor with a silica wick. During research I discovered the potential of silicosis danger from silica wicks.

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I did a little bit of digging though the forums about the possible dangers of silica wicks and read a post by an OSHA professional regarding the matter. I wanted to post a follow up that I researched but am still limited to the New Members forums. I consulted my father, who has since retired, after 50+ years in the health and safety industry (OSHA). He used to do follow up investigations for jobsite injuries and fatalities such as silicosis which is fatal from exposure to silica dust. According to him the possibility of getting the forms of damaging silica crystalline from silica wicks is nil. Reason being that when silica sand is heated, melted and changed to form the silica string (or wicks) it changes atomically and no longer carries the proper crystal size that cause silicosis, it is the same process to create glass. The type of crystals that cause silicosis have to be the right size for them to be lodged into the lung tissue to cause silicosis, these sizes are found in heavy industry such as mining operations where pure silica is present in blasting or cutting where there is a lot of silica dust, as brought up by the other OSHA person. If the silica crystals are too large the are trapped in the nasal mucus and if they are too small they are simply exhaled. I found another thread that showed a microscopic sample from someone that exhaled vapor smoke that contained trace amounts of silica crystals. This is a good thing! The fact that they are shown on a slide seen under a microscope means that they were too small and immediately exhaled therefore unable to lodge into the tissue of the lung which could cause silicosis. Everyone probably inhales trace amounts of this type of silica crystal everyday when exposed to wind and such.

Anyway I hope that helps, perhaps this post can be moved to the proper thread. Thanks
 

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very good information.

the other point so readily skipped over in those threads is the fact we dont vape silica dust. we heat up a wet peace of string. ( yet they continue to quote statistics related to silca dust exposure levels in the workplace)

the one thing I still cant figure out is how they are getting the silica wick to degrade so fast it is releasing shards in that volume into the vapor stream, after weeks of use looking under magnification I cant find any serious degradation of the coil area other then a little charring and burned juice.

to get any kind of volume needed for damage we would have to replace wicks 5 times a day and they just dont fall apart that fast.
 
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Who knows? There is a "disappearing silica phenomenon." As to physical shard size, the shards aren't necessarily of uniform size...so some may be too small, others to big, others "proper" size. Who knows? The most interesting thing is that it's "changed atomically"... so I hope that's a good thing.

Maybe he has information from people that work in fiberglass insulation manufacturing...which I would think would be a close cousin to this issue.

Anyway, I'm using a silica wick right now. Mostly due to the low level of concerns expressed here and the expectation that there's little risk. But I'm still going to watch the issue. I tend to burn cotton wicks...and I don't know that that is good either. Mesh is 50/50 to me for effectiveness.

My silica is broken-in-gunked right now. So if the coil lasts, I'm cool. :)

But we don't have 20 years of data on this stuff. So it just isn't conclusive, IMO. Whatayagonnado? Guess I'm hoping for the best like everyone else.

Thanks for helping waylay fears. Let's hope it's a correct conclusion. See you in 20 years. ;)
 
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Wait......
we are mining, blasting, excavating the silica wicks?
Thought mine were always wet with pluid.....:blink:

What did I miss.....?
Grind silica wicks to a powdery substance before installing,
and inhale deeply.....:facepalm:

yea didnt you know we have wick mines in the Rockies? and grow EKO sheep in Montana? sourcing some of the best ekowool available :)
the south eastern mines closed down when all they could find anymore was 1.7mm veins
 

Petekob

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very good information.

the other point so readily skipped over in those threads is the fact we dont vape silica dust. we heat up a wet peace of string. ( yet they continue to quote statistics related to silca dust exposure levels in the workplace)

the one thing I still cant figure out is how they are getting the silica wick to degrade so fast it is releasing shards in that volume into the vapor stream, after weeks of use looking under magnification I cant find any serious degradation of the coil area other then a little charring and burned juice.

to get any kind of volume needed for damage we would have to replace wicks 5 times a day and they just dont fall apart that fast.

Agreed, I slightly degraded my first silica wick, it was the only one. Just needed to get the voltage right for what I was looking for. After a good while of vaping on it and then a hot bath, each one is good as new.
 

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yea didnt you know we have wick mines in the Rockies? and grow EKO sheep in Montana? sourcing some of the best ekowool available :)
the south eastern mines closed down when all they could find anymore was 1.7mm veins

Oooooooh, I really, really want a miniature EKO sheep!

Petekob, thank you for the information. Very interesting.
 

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LMAO,
Sorry was not trying to shut down the OP,

I know there are "unknowns" with vaping,
and hazards with anything on the "lunatic fringe"......

There are just so much "saw it on the internet, it must be true" info
that vaping will kill you.
Glad the father had some non-ANTZ input..........

Nice to know the silica wicks are mined state side.......
never know what is in them if the come from Chin*.....
 

Petekob

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Petekob, Thank you for the research and write up, info like this makes us all feel we're following a healthier path.

Agreed, I believe everyone who is an ex-smoker has chosen a healthier path through vaping.

As RedNBlack put it though:

There are just so much "saw it on the internet, it must be true" info
that vaping will kill you.

Just trying to help debunk/confirm the "saw it on the internet." Which could be said for any opinion posted by anyone, therefore it lies with the user to research his/her own information.
 
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