A WARNING for summer. E liquid made me sick...

[Alexander Mundy]

In my opinion if this is the result of leaving the bottle in the sun for a few hours, there was already something wrong with that juice and that is scarey. ................I'm not saying you are lying...........

I would think Ryedan is correct. Some ingredient in that local vendors juice is involved.

 

[USinchains]

Please explain to me how inhaling something will turn into an intestinal problem.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Please explain to me how inhaling something will turn into an intestinal problem.

Mold for one

 

[Katya]

Please explain to me how inhaling something will turn into an intestinal problem.

Nausea can be caused by nic overdose--but nicotine degrades in contact with oxygen and heat.

Other causes of GI upsets are viruses and bacteria. PG in eliquid had antiviral properties and is even used in hospitals to disinfect the air...

Something here doesn't add up.

 

[Katya]

Mold for one

PG is an antifungal agent.

In the 1940s and early 1950s, further studies showed inactivation of diverse bacteria, influenza virus, and Penicillium chrysogenum (previously P. notatum) mold fungus using various glycols, principally propylene glycol and triethylene glycol.[4] In principle, these chemical substances are ideal air disinfectants because they have both high lethality to microorganisms and low mammalian toxicity.[5][6]

Disinfectant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[USinchains]

I'd like more evidence... like what did he have for lunch?

 

[USinchains]

Mold for one

Are you seriously suggesting that three hours in the sun will produce toxic mold spores in e-liquid??

Edit: you don't have to answer that. Haha wise guy

 

[flynbyeya]

I bet $100 that if I go pull that bottle out of the trash and vape a ml I be be on the toilet within an hour..... and stay there for an hour. (This is not an actual bet as I have counted the tiles in the bathroom enough times. 52.)

 

[USinchains]

Maybe the vendor's secret ingredient is mayonnaise.

 

[USinchains]

I bet $100 that if I go pull that bottle out of the trash and vape a ml I be be on the toilet within an hour..... and stay there for an hour. (This is not an actual bet as I have counted the tiles in the bathroom enough times. 52.)

I don't doubt that you believe that, and I don't think you're lying to anyone. I just can't swallow the idea. I'll leave your thread alone now since I added my 2 cents. Just please consider all possibilities. Question everything.

 

[flynbyeya]

I'd like more evidence... like what did he have for lunch?

I stopped using the carto for a day after being sick for 4 days. (I thought I had the flue) The carto started tasting burnt so I replaced it and magically my symptoms went away. (Sunday night) I felt good enough to work Monday and did. At work the new carto burnt up because the button on the battery was being pressed in my pocket. (Rookie mistake. I know.) I then switched back to the old carto when I got home from work at 6:00ish. I ate pizza and by bedtime, 9:00ish, my stomach was gurgling and I was back on the toilet in no time. Then. Right then while I was on the toilet it dawned on me that it was the carto with the toxic juice leftover in it this whole time. Once again. I switched to my wife's blueberry flavor until I could get a new carto the next day and all symptoms were gone by morning. Had nothing to do with ehat I had for lunch. Give me your address and I will mail you a sample of the juice.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

A lot of hydrocarbons will cause similar symptoms and could be the break down byproduct of an ingredient.

Leave the bottle alone, and I would seriously consider finding another source for juice.

Only a mass spec would resolve the question, so I'm out of here.

 

[oldbikeguy]

yep pg is a sanitizer that kills bacteria ever hear of some stuff called ozium it's made from 4.4% triethylene glycol and 4.4% propylene glycol and 91.2% inert ingredients it's used to kill airborne bacteria,it also smells good.But just to be safe couldn't you keep your juice in your lunch box with a cooler pack in the summer.

 

[radicalchuu]

this is why i'm glad i live in the pacific northwest-- i don't have to worry about this except for a certain amount of the year; it still happens though, and I always keep my liquid in the pantry at home; when I'm out and about, I reuse 10ml bottles from samplers i've purchased in the past or in a needle-tip filler bottle.

 

[jazon1]

i have been vaping for a little over three years now and use 50pg/50vg liquid and have had bottles left in the sun by my pool for several days and i live in the desert,i have seen them separate a bit i just shook them back up and vaped away,your experience kind of sounds like a Nic overdose a bit maybe the nic separated floated to the top and when you filled up your carto you were adding a much stronger dose of Nic?also you said you had just got the bottle it is possible you found something you are allergic to?

 

[WattWick]

In my opinion if this is the result of leaving the bottle in the sun for a few hours, there was already something wrong with that juice and that is scarey.

You might be right, but I got a suspicion it's something else. If you ever left a plastic bottle of water in a sun-scorched car and taken a sip, you know what I'm talking about.

Polypropylene might not crack from certain liquids like polycarbonate does, but its Achilles heel is heat. Not a whole lot of heat either. I'm certainly not using it for my tanks, and I'm looking to replace my storage bottles with glass as well.

 

[WattWick]

Please explain to me how inhaling something will turn into an intestinal problem.

(Sorry for double post. Tapatalk.)

Body detects problem and goes into "flush system in any way possible"-mode. There's a limit to how many possible exit points a human body has.

 

[flynbyeya]

i have been vaping for a little over three years now and use 50pg/50vg liquid and have had bottles left in the sun by my pool for several days and i live in the desert,i have seen them separate a bit i just shook them back up and vaped away,your experience kind of sounds like a Nic overdose a bit maybe the nic separated floated to the top and when you filled up your carto you were adding a much stronger dose of Nic?also you said you had just got the bottle it is possible you found something you are allergic to?

I had used the bottle a week before this with no problems.

 

[DoogieTony]

Maybe the vendor's secret ingredient is mayonnaise.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Thats too good.

 

[Confusednoobie]

Direct sunlight, as well as being close to bright indoor lighting (no matter the time of year) will, of course, cause this to happen faster, but the same will happen if you don't keep you juice in a cool, dark place summer, winter - all year.

I keep mine in the warm part of the refrigerator during the summer and actually drip from larger bottles into the very small sample bottles i have kept and cleaned so I only go out with the amount I need and not risk ruining a whole bottle in the summer heat. What happens in heat and faster in sunlight, is that much of the PG/VG can evaporate away and leave you with nicotine that is not diluted as much as it had been before. Since your symptoms are those of someone with nicotine poisoning it sounds like that day in the sun cause the juice to end up very strengthened. 24 mg after a few hours in the sun can be anywhere from 30-40 mg depending on how much evaporates and if you are not used to that strength and vape it as much as you do your usual, low strength, you can end up being pretty sick.

VG can go bad, but its usually a risk of that happening when you buy large amounts of ml bottles to make your own and keep it on the self too long and then have to deal with mold.

This is a good warning for everyone, especially for those living in parts of the world that have very long, hot, dry summers but applies to anyone who subjects their juice to warm temps for a while. If you leave a bottle in the heat for what you think might be too long and worry you now have strengthened the juice, check the bottle carefully and look for sighs of evaporation, such as 'sweating' on the inside of the bottle. Don't take a chance once you see a lot of water evaporated out of the juice (shaking it and getting the water drops mixed back in will not 'save' it as many say it will as what evaporates is the water mixed in with the nicotine itself and you would need to reprocess the nicotine to get the water mixed back in, shaking it to 'reabsorb' the water just mixes water into the glycerin used in the juice).

If this happens, especially with the higher level nicotine juice its probably not worth keeping it around - toss it and buy fresh. It may be less of a risk if you are using a low mg of nicotine and the bottle only shows a bit of sweat - most likely you have only just strengthened it to around the next level - or that's the rule of thumb. It may taste differently to you after it has evaporated in a bottle - the flavor may taste a bit diluted.

So, when going out, make it a practice to use smaller bottles or prefill clearos/carto tanks with what you need. As I mentioned before, using cleaned and well dried empty sample bottles (or even large cleaned and dried bottles when you have used up the e-liquid) make it easy to just take what you know you will vape along with you and not you entire supply. Keep what you carry away from your body (unless you are in freezing weather in which you want to keep it from freezing) and in a dark place. Juice in dark bottles will also lessen the effects or bright indoor light. Pocketbooks/purses'/backpacks/briefcases/luggage are all decent places while a clothing pocket can get way too warm even if it shades your juice.

This is not all said to convince anyone vaping is 'dangerous' but like anything whether its tonight's dinner, or medication or other things you use internally, safe handling is the best practice. People tend to very careful with hardware to make sure its in perfect working order, or properly cleaned or tested well when its rebuilt and so on but very often neglect to correctly handling their juices and either ignore or do not know the correct handling of juice.

This was very informative for me. I am a new user and a low user- but initially I had bought the GS kit and after 4 days, I got sick as a dog- Lots of GI stuff and also muscle aches, cramps, abdominal pain, headache. It must have been the nicotine- I wanted zero nicotine but had to buy the variety pack to sample the flavors and it had nicotine in it. I was not vaping that much- and I had never had trouble with nicotine when I smoked my rare pack of cigarettes. I thought maybe it was the PG and nicotine in combo.