I've had mine for at least 6 months, use it every single day, not a single problem. I would suggest you get the AW IMR 18350's. I have four that I constantly rotate, and they're still going strong also.
About to pull my hair out picking a pv mod.
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I've had mine for at least 6 months, use it every single day, not a single problem. I would suggest you get the AW IMR 18350's. I have four that I constantly rotate, and they're still going strong also.
The eGo-Twist is a great little vv and very affordable. Even those who "have it all" still own a Twist, because they're so easy to pocket and if they lose it, they're easily replaceable. (and they work very nicely when paired with say the Vivi Nova). They're a great back-up eCig, as well as a great mainstay. You can't go wrong with a kit of these.
Then, while you're happily vaping with it set at 3.7v that feels like 4.2, you can browse and research into the bigger fancier mods to your hearts content.
It really has become quite confusing and frustrating. The VV gripper has a great readout and menu, but the rest of it sucks. The Provari has the best calibrated but the menu pushing sucks. The Darwin is awesome VW but it's ugly-ish and has store only battery, and so on.
I'd go with a Roller mod by Atmizoo and a Kick for a first mod.
The Kick gives you the VW adjustments.
The Roller gives you totally mechanical and completely repairable SS mod with Lockable button on the side towards the top. It has a LIFETIME WARRANTY! It also has a battery cap to let you change out your batteries easily in any mode... and the modes!!! It's telescopic... lets you use any sized battery you dang well wish to use atm. It's sweet, beautifully crafted and they should be back in stock soon.
While you're vaping that combo, maybe just maybe, somebody will come out with an affordable and accurate vv/vw telescopic mod in fashionable skins and LED lights.
ha, yeh, dream on...
Then, while you're happily vaping with it set at 3.7v that feels like 4.2, you can browse and research into the bigger fancier mods to your hearts content.
It really has become quite confusing and frustrating. The VV gripper has a great readout and menu, but the rest of it sucks. The Provari has the best calibrated but the menu pushing sucks. The Darwin is awesome VW but it's ugly-ish and has store only battery, and so on.
I'd go with a Roller mod by Atmizoo and a Kick for a first mod.
The Kick gives you the VW adjustments.
The Roller gives you totally mechanical and completely repairable SS mod with Lockable button on the side towards the top. It has a LIFETIME WARRANTY! It also has a battery cap to let you change out your batteries easily in any mode... and the modes!!! It's telescopic... lets you use any sized battery you dang well wish to use atm. It's sweet, beautifully crafted and they should be back in stock soon.
While you're vaping that combo, maybe just maybe, somebody will come out with an affordable and accurate vv/vw telescopic mod in fashionable skins and LED lights.
ha, yeh, dream on...
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I will look into it, thanks. I like to read stuff like this to add to my blog. In any case, if you are right, 20% is better than 1.6% by many times...
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Okay I just looked into it.
The AJPM (first link) study was an anonymous internet poll = not science.
The second was done with disposables which have the highest failure rate, in my experience talking with newbies on a daily basis, and therefore I find great reason to doubt it as accurate.
Thanks for posting them anyway. As with all things vape, it requires further, and actually scientific, study.
I'm going with 90% given enough time and that's a guess. I see people who failed 3 years ago come back and succeed due to the advancements that have occurred since they failed the first time (when ecigs were junkier i.e. cartridges, KR808-D). I read about another guy who had 10 cartons in the freezer and although switched to vaping was utterly determined to smoke them and after a year he still had 2 packs left.
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No, showing a price of $160 when you need all the things that come with it and then nickel and diming the customer on what SHOULD be standard for what is often considered the best APV on the market to raise the price $100+ over sticker IS a valid point.
It should be noted that Vaporbeast sells its APVs that have the same stats (I'm not going to get into durability talks about either product) with batteries and a charger for less than $100. No nickel and diming.
The warranty is for 1 year for free on a Provari and another year, ordered up front, is extra. Although the durability is often talked about when it comes to the Provari I sincerely doubt that anyone puts their money where their mouth is and actually forgoes the extended warranty. Whether you think it's unprofitable or not is regardless of the fact that they sell it for a reason and it makes them a lot of money if it's anything like Vegas (the house always wins over time).
I was giving the true story of the Provari. Yes some people will forgo their fancy colors and LED and Display customizations, but they are there and also, people buy them.
When you compare a $26 Twist battery to a Provari, as far as price concerned there is no competition and all is far in capitalism. You could afford 10 Twists at the price of a decent Provari and if each one lasts 10 months a piece that's 100 months / 12 = 8.33333 years. Just saying... In 8 1/3 years I would be surprised if a solitary Provari would still work, even with it's "durability". We're not even getting into how many replacement batteries you'd go through in that same period of time which would jack the price up even more. MUCH more. So you see a sticker for $160 and you think GOOD DEAL, but what you don't see on the website (and what people often don't consider up front) are the hidden costs of running it over time. It'd be like calculating the cost of fuel and oil changes, new tires, shocks, battery over the lifetime of a car, all up front, before you bought it. Not everyone is going to do that, but it's worth mentioning and it paints a certain picture when you look at it in that light.
I didn't want to go there, but you made me. The main problem with the Provari is the price alone. There are other problems I am not going to get into, but for me at least (and many many others) the price is what is the dealbreaker when you look at it the way I have just presented it.
The OP is confused clearly as they are asking for help and all over the place. There is nothing to not like about the Twist except that it's not a Provari.
I never attacked you personally, I was just letting the audience at home know that your estimate of the price is incorrect. A REAL Provari costs much more that $160. What's truly sad is that the Mini (Tube Mod alone anyway) is the same price as the full size. No amount of 'splainin' is going to let that settle with me other than greed. Nothing is going to make me understand why the sudden price drop occurred either in recent months. How long was that price drop available before they made the decision that sales we slacking so they'd go ahead and make the price drop? Or was it preemptive? What a comfortable market position to be in that you can charge so much and then bring it down only at the last second, right when Lavatube is ready to make its move to 2.0, Apollo VTubes are tearing up the market, the Vario MAY be on the horizon, and the Zmax. Just sayin'... It looks bad. Yes I know this is speculation. I have friends in the business so I think about stuff like this.
Something else that bothers me is that Provari users often tout it as the superior device, yet they hang around ECF and push it/defend it. If I believed the Provari was the ultimate in vaping, and I had one of course, then why would I stick around? I have the best, I'd be out. The end. Book written. Something doesn't quite add up there does it?
Counterfeiting is a way of life in China. I wrote a whole article on it in my blog. It's so bad.
That is the worst "Provari" I have ever seen lol - it's only $900 for 30 (the minimum order), at least 2 weeks boat ride before it even hits the shores and a parcel service (such as DHL) gets its hands on it, they will tie your money up on your credit card as security, and if anything goes wrong they will fix it with your next order (as if the first order wouldn't ruin your day). What a nightmare! Once again, these prices look good until you get into the details. There's a lot of dirty dirty tricks out there.
Long story short...I bought 3 Kgo knockoff starter kits for friends last Christmas (total= $60). They then turned around and gifted me a Provari. It basically just sat in the corner so I gifted it, with their permission, to a young man I've been mentoring for 12 yrs...from living on the streets to owning a multi $$ biz, I'm VERY proud of him and we are almost like father and son. The one demon he had problems with- yep, smoking. He's now analog free going on 6 months...also a major donor not only to the non profit vape prog I run but also the charity I volunteer at so I believe that particular Provari has good "karma" and once he's finished with it he'll gift it to someone else
And if you haven't figured it out by now Vapoor Eyes Er is the nicest guy you will ever meet. I've seen him send batteries to total strangers in need.
Sup squirrely?
Not what my eyes and the old taster tell me. My experience with a Twist and a KGO. It's 4.18 guaranteed. Under different loads it's closer to 4. See for yourself.
hoosierecigsupply.com 1100mAh eGo battery whips AW 18650 IMR - YouTube
and here for more clarity on this:
SLB Ego voltage test with dual coil cartomizer from hoosierecigsupply.com - YouTube
Yes there is voltage sag depending what kind of current you want to draw.
I unburst my bubble and retaliate bursting YOURS! MWAHAHAHAHA.
(you're still da man tho)That's why I went down to 3.8v on a twist and when I put the same atty on my KGO is tastes like poo cuz it's higher. I actually get a much better vape of the Twist at lower voltage with multiple "atomizers" (there's a variety). Partially due to the KGOs inferior airflow, partially due to the magic of JoyEtech.
I saw a guy on youtube done nearly burned his leg off doing that and carrying it around in his pocket. He made his own DIY stacked mod though. It wasn't a SB.
Word on the street is that the Kick has an amperage limit which doesn't give it the full range (I'm sorry I can't find the exact number but I would surely like to know for my records) of use one might expect. Also, GrimmGreen had it kill 2 of his batteries and 2 of his SB safety springs (see also: EXPENSIVE MISTAKE) when he used a Vivi Nova on a kicked SB.
The video/story is in my blog (first page, 3/4 way down - look for GGs mug in the video). Everything is always in my blog. It's a direct line right into my brain.
I agree about not stacking batteries. However, Chad at AltSmoke says there isn't a need to drill vent holes in the Silver Bullet or BB, the power switches are designed to vent. And I have to admit that he is right. I had a runaway battery in my BB a couple of months ago and it vented thru the BB's power switch. Below is the battery. Remarkably, the BB worked fine with a new battery after I cleaned it up for a few days, then needed to be sent in for a new switch when it refused to fire.
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Yeah these mods are just too expensive for what you are getting, considering how easily they can go out. Lets take a look at the Darwin and Provari right. Say 250 up front for the Darwin, and how much is an Xbox 360? Does the darwin play video games as well? No? Then I see no point in wasting that much money on something like that. The internal circuts of these mods to regulate power and teh protective features CAN NOT be as intricate as my graphics card in my pc which cost around the same as the Darwin.
Amazon.com: Xbox 360 4GB Console: Video Games
This is the only thing I have to post and say compare to Darwin and Provari, the price for what you are getting is ridiculous.
I understand that most of these mods are made by individuals and small buisnesses, and they have to charge more because they have to pay more for parts because they dont order 2 billion at a time. But my problem is this, do you absolutely have to get rich at the cost of your fellow man? The American dream is nothing more than getting somebody to pay 10x what something you bought cost you and becomming rich. Its a classic case of greed as you said ShogaNinja.
I will order a mod, a cheaper one, and hope it lasts, if it doesnt I most likely will never buy another one and just use twists.
What we REALLY NEED as a community is for Joyetech to get on the wagon on mods, their ego-t 18650 mod is exactly what this community needs. But we need that kind of mod with the voltage regulation/protection/vv/vw that the other mods can offer us. And i garauntee it will put all these other mods to shame in price, and the vaping world will rejoyce.
Amazon.com: Xbox 360 4GB Console: Video Games
This is the only thing I have to post and say compare to Darwin and Provari, the price for what you are getting is ridiculous.
I understand that most of these mods are made by individuals and small buisnesses, and they have to charge more because they have to pay more for parts because they dont order 2 billion at a time. But my problem is this, do you absolutely have to get rich at the cost of your fellow man? The American dream is nothing more than getting somebody to pay 10x what something you bought cost you and becomming rich. Its a classic case of greed as you said ShogaNinja.
I will order a mod, a cheaper one, and hope it lasts, if it doesnt I most likely will never buy another one and just use twists.
What we REALLY NEED as a community is for Joyetech to get on the wagon on mods, their ego-t 18650 mod is exactly what this community needs. But we need that kind of mod with the voltage regulation/protection/vv/vw that the other mods can offer us. And i garauntee it will put all these other mods to shame in price, and the vaping world will rejoyce.
yep the switch does vent, the only issue i have with that is that the gases escaping need air flow not just a place to vent. if there is a hole drilled on the bottom of the SB, you know create a pass through air chamber to help push those gases out quicker when you have a rogue battery and i would rather the gas maybe vent through the bottom away from my trigger finger
just my thoughts....i could be wrong but it makes sense to me
+1 on the ego twist. Pretty decent mod. The local vape shop around here sells them for 25 bucks...which is insanely cheap considering it works nearly as well as my buzz pro which was 100+ dollars. easy to use and keep clean and pretty great battery life!
does the darwin play games? no it is not supposed to. its a PV that has some advanced components in them to create one of the best vaping experiences. I use twists, i have 2, but the twist is not going to provide the same vape experience as a darwin or provari.
and just a quick heads up, the graphics card in your PC is no more intricate than the board in the pro-v or darwin. now the MB in your PC, yeah i could understand that....but not the GPU.
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I see nothing wrong with that and don't understand why you are always complaining about Provape being a greedy company because of the price of their APV's.
AltSmoke sells their Silver Bullet and BB for the same $85; basically they are both the same mod but each take a different sized battery, same with the Provari and Mini Provari. Do you have the same issue with AltSmoke?
Gathering only from comments that I read here on ECF, I don't believe Provape needs to worry much at all about any slowing of sales. I see more people saying that they are buying a Provari than any other variable voltage device other than a Twist. When I saw the price drop advertised, I just assumed they were making room for their new colors.
Your sense of logic defies imagination sometimes, but that's what I like about you.
First of all, you hang around ECF because you enjoy helping other vapors, right? Who are you to say why anyone else does the same? We are here to help people, too; not to gloat or impress ourselves because we own one of the more expensive devices.
When Provari owners encourage people looking for the best device to get a Provari, its because we have one and totally realize that it is what it is. With a Provari, we believe you get what you pay for. Many of us have had the cheaper knockoffs and been disappointed with them, and regretted not getting a Provari in the first place. The Provari and Provape's reputations have stood the test of time since it was released and they are universally recognized as the standard in the industry. No one can question that fact.
And the reason that I recommend one (I don't "push" anything, except perhaps the Slap-Yo-Moma) is that I sincerely believe it is the best mod readily available (always in stock). Owners defend it because of biased people such as yourself who always degrade it as an overpriced, overrated APV. Because we believe in the device and the company, heck yes we will defend it. Just as you defend Chinese products.
Is a Provari a good choice for everyone? No. If they have the financial means to buy one and are wavering between it and a cheaper device, should they get the Provari? In my opinion, yes. The choice is ultimately theirs to make.
I think I smell some subconscious Provari-envy.
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Hi Magic Of Light. So moving past all the go get this muddle. You want VV. Check. You Want a pre-defined voltage range? You want it to run dual coil cartos.Check. You want replaceable batteries? What would be an acceptable range of price for this venture? I understand the shortcomings in your not so like list, I understand the not wanting to swallw the blue pill(provari). Does it HAve to be a tube mod, or would a suitable box fit the bill? What would your all in budget be best suited for(batteries,charger,mod)?
Would you consider building one if you had some sort of guide, or would it have to be something that is built and ready to use?
Would you consider building one if you had some sort of guide, or would it have to be something that is built and ready to use?
Personally, I have to say variable voltage is the way to go, for me, personally. Sometimes I like lower vapor, a cooler hit, kickin' it style. Sometimes I like it a little hotter, just craving a stronger hit. But most of the time, it's true, I'm hovering around 4 to 4.5 volts on 2.8 to 3 ohm atomizers.
I like the lavatube mod, but you absolutely have to get it from a good vendor, because there's so many knock offs in the lavatube market. One thing I like about the lavatube is you can just hit a button to increase or decrease the voltage. That's a good thing, since the battery does taper down over time, so easy adjusting is a nice feature.
I like the Provari also, but the menu system makes it a little less adjustable on the fly. But, on the other hand, because it vapes at the voltage stated all the way through, adjustments are less frequent. All of those posts about how the Provari feels are true. Solidly made device, probably last for years.
But, the lavatube, in it's latest iteration, feels quite nice also. You can tell it's a bit more cheaply made, but it vapes just as well (minus the battery voltage drop). It's pretty solid, IF you get it from a good vendor. (got mine from volcano, the chrome version, $55). The battery voltage taper on the lavatube isn't that big of deal, really. You get some lower quality vapes at the very end of the battery life. Some people think it's dramatic, but at 4 to 4.5 volts, I haven't really noticed it much.
That said, I still like the tiny e-cigs, like V2 or Volt. Discrete, easy. But I don't use the standard cartridge, only CE3's from smokeless image. Not quite as good as a VV mod tube, but I can carry one or two in my pocket, and sneak a vape out of sight at work if needed. With the CE3, pretty good flavor and hit as well, for almost the whole life of the V2, (whole life of the Volt battery).
I like the lavatube mod, but you absolutely have to get it from a good vendor, because there's so many knock offs in the lavatube market. One thing I like about the lavatube is you can just hit a button to increase or decrease the voltage. That's a good thing, since the battery does taper down over time, so easy adjusting is a nice feature.
I like the Provari also, but the menu system makes it a little less adjustable on the fly. But, on the other hand, because it vapes at the voltage stated all the way through, adjustments are less frequent. All of those posts about how the Provari feels are true. Solidly made device, probably last for years.
But, the lavatube, in it's latest iteration, feels quite nice also. You can tell it's a bit more cheaply made, but it vapes just as well (minus the battery voltage drop). It's pretty solid, IF you get it from a good vendor. (got mine from volcano, the chrome version, $55). The battery voltage taper on the lavatube isn't that big of deal, really. You get some lower quality vapes at the very end of the battery life. Some people think it's dramatic, but at 4 to 4.5 volts, I haven't really noticed it much.
That said, I still like the tiny e-cigs, like V2 or Volt. Discrete, easy. But I don't use the standard cartridge, only CE3's from smokeless image. Not quite as good as a VV mod tube, but I can carry one or two in my pocket, and sneak a vape out of sight at work if needed. With the CE3, pretty good flavor and hit as well, for almost the whole life of the V2, (whole life of the Volt battery).
I'm waiting on the vario from vaporbeast and hope it will have some good reviews. Should be out soon.
As the oldschool rappers of the late 80's would say, word.
It is for this exact reason that I am good friends with Tim Campbell of Vaporbeast. He was a product developer before he started Vaporbeast and he came up with a (semi) well-known product that donates to charity called the Doody Dangler. It fits on your dog's leash and hold the doody bag so you aren't stuck holding the it looking silly.
It's probably a silly product that is useful to some and means well (I take my dog's to secret spots where no one minds free fertilizer and am utterly against putting biodegradable matter in a plastic bag). He takes that same approach when it comes to business. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising for him, I have never ordered a single thing from him. But what I do support is his free shipping, and his defiance of China demanding the Vario (if it ever comes out - it's back on the drawing board for right now) for $120. He said $80 or no deal and he got it. His APVs come with batteries and a charger too, 18650 batteries, not the littler ones all for one price. He also gives you free stuff (mini-cones and cartos so he says and friends confirm) with every order and goes out of his way to make the customer happy. That stands in stark contrast to the greed we spoke of previously. So there are two ways to go about being a little guy on the market.Now, changing subjects, if you could take the same money that it costs just to get started on a Provari and get 8.3333 years of Twists, and chances are unlikely that you'll make it 8.3333 years on a single Provari (and then need to replace the batteries what, every 10 months (300 full discharges and recharges before 30% capacity loss)? For a cost of $14 each + shipping($6?) x 10 then you are looking at probably an extra $200 over the same period of time. Meanwhile, as the market changes, and it WILL change (says the guys who thought that cartridges were FOREVER!
) then you can stop buying Twists lol. Meanwhile, you still have money left and are light on your feet ready to move and change with the market, instead of dreading the day that it overtakes you as a Provari owner might as deeply rooted as they are.The problem I have with the Provari is that not everyone can have them. They breed an elite class of vapers which is all too familiar in America and we can see with the Occupy Movement how that concept sits with people at large. Not cool.
Almost all ecigs are from China. Yes, they don't last forever, nothing does. But they are cheap and they can be replaced cheaply. This, above all else, is what inspires OCD PV addiction.
Addressing what you said about small business, if the Provari was doing so well wouldn't they ramp up the production and put one in every vaper's hand? It works for China. At the rate they are going there will be 10,000 ecigs made for every Provari. In the long run this carpet bombing of the market is going to win out over one niche device that stands tall, for the few. So in essence, the Provari is bad business. It's not actually trying to get anyone to quit, it's a luxury model for the "elite". It's not trying to gain market dominance, it's trying to downplay the fact that they are getting owned by China (who made the modern e-cig (Ruyan as early as 2003) in the first place). Instead of trying to show respect for that fact (and the entire reason that we are all here) is because of China. Provapes plays the antiquated "All-American is better than anything else" card in a new global market, which smacks of brainwashing nationalism propaganda at its finest.
I want to make myself clear, I don't hate the Provari. Is it for everyone with their market stance? Not even close IMO. The thing that shocks me on ECF is the amount of parroting that goes on suggesting that it is for everyone in the face of what I have just revealed. I don't mean this as an insult to anyone, I'm a really nice guy 95% (5% is when I get stupid drunk and make the foolish decision to hang on ECF while I'm like that
), but I think that the best we can do for the community is present the whole story, and not just a one-sided version. We get enough of that in the news. IMHO there is no room for totalitarian fanboyism in the e-cig world. I say let's just steer people away from the hazards (Blu - don't let Big Tobacco invade), answer their questions, and let them decide how best to spend their money they worked so hard for.I think PBusardo says it best when he says "These are my opinions, whatever works for you and keeps you from smoking is the best" (or something very close to that). Wise words from a wise man. For me, that's the Twist right now. Several months ago, (before the Twist came out) it was the KGO. The point is that I have shifted with the market. A ninja should always be light on his/her feet. That way if something takes this ever-evolving pioneer market by storm I can react quickly. These are words to live by.
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