Absolute ZERO throat hit from 510

[s6a6n6d6m6a6n]

I’ve been off analogs for over a month now, but have constantly struggled to find hardware/software combo that will give an adequate TH and vapor production.

After having read innumerable reviews and testimonials here, on youtube and other sites, I decided that a 510 kit would be a good one to have for a real kit.
(I had fallen into the $9.95 scam previously where they charge you $99 subsequently, but that’s another story)

So I ordered the Riva 510 kit from litecigusa.net that comes with a high capacity battery (750mAh) and rest is all standard 510 stuff.
Along came the juices in various concoctions of PG, VG, PG+VG and flavors.

It has been two weeks since I started using this new Riva 510 kit. It has absolutely no Throat Hit. No matter which juice I use.
Vapor production is awesome on the other hand. Battery lasts me 3 days. No complain on the cartridges etc..
But zero TH.
(I’ve been a 5 analog-a-day smoker for 17 years and even for my level of indulgence the TH is really inadequate)

I’m trying to eliminate the factors so that I can find a fix to this issue.
Tried the same juice in one of the old e-cigs from airsmoker.com, refilling it’s cartomizer and guess what…. I have a good TH…, but no vapor now!!!!
Since Riva has a Lithion Ion battery, it will ideally give you full power till the end of the charge and then suddenly die out (Li-ion by design).
What’s thus left in the equation is the atomizer.
So I tried dripping. That maybe … really maybe, gave a 2% better TH. It should be noted that even with PG only liquids, I get a good amount of vapor but no TH.
Nic level is at around 11-16mg. (people have claimed great TH with lesser nic)
Thinking that that atty was bad, I ordered another one, and that too is a close relative of the first one.

Someone suggested that the atty is a cold one and that I should try an LR one. I’m going to give that one a shot, but in the mean time, had anybody else experienced a similar case, and if you did, any anecdotal remedies?

Is there any fix that will work, or will I have to order another kit? (which effing one now?)


Thanks!

 

[Rosa]

Greater TH with higher PG, higher nic, and certain flavors like menthol or tart fruits like pear. More TH with certain methods like dripping and cartomizers, less with the tank btw (IMO). More TH with LR atomizers.

Ways to kill TH: lower nic, any amount of VG will kill TH (IMO), certain flavors don't produce any noticeable TH for me.

 

[slumdog]

I would say the problem is probably wattage, the riva batt is a 3.7 volt batt but it has a circuit in it that cuts the voltage back to about 3.2 or in that range if you are using carts that will cut down on TH as well try direct dripping how to drip a 510 and Rosa also has some good advice...

 

[Delilah718]

Hi, as I read your post the one thing that came to mind was the atty, which you have on order and which I hope solves your problem. Personally, in anticipation of equipment failures, I ordered extra starter kits (different models) because as an ex-smoker who doesn't want to use cigarettes again, I didn't want to be caught without something else to use in the event a unit goes bad. It's just like when we used to smoke and were always checking that we had cigarettes on hand. I hope you have a backup in the meantime and if not, maybe you should get another one as soon as you can.

Good luck!

 

[N2rock]

I have an ego (basically same as Riva), and felt the same as you. For me, LR Cartomizers are the trick. And hold the button a second or two before even bringing it too my lips. That pre-heats the juice so that when I take a drag, I get that nice throat hit.

I also have a 5v box mod, and there is no pre-heating necessary with that thing. In fact I have to take a smaller drag with it because the throat hit tends to be too hard. I'm using the Big Kazoo from kalamazoo vapor shop. It's really inexpensive as 5v's go.

 

[CJLite]

You might want to try 100% PG juice in a higher nicotine strength than the juice shipped by the manufacturer. I wasn't satisfied till the nic level was around 24mg. Also, some flavors will give you a better throat hit than others. Menthol flavors usually has a really good throat hit.

I’ve been off analogs for over a month now, but have constantly struggled to find hardware/software combo that will give an adequate TH and vapor production.

After having read innumerable reviews and testimonials here, on youtube and other sites, I decided that a 510 kit would be a good one to have for a real kit.
(I had fallen into the $9.95 scam previously where they charge you $99 subsequently, but that’s another story)

So I ordered the Riva 510 kit from litecigusa.net that comes with a high capacity battery (750mAh) and rest is all standard 510 stuff.
Along came the juices in various concoctions of PG, VG, PG+VG and flavors.

It has been two weeks since I started using this new Riva 510 kit. It has absolutely no Throat Hit. No matter which juice I use.
Vapor production is awesome on the other hand. Battery lasts me 3 days. No complain on the cartridges etc..
But zero TH.
(I’ve been a 5 analog-a-day smoker for 17 years and even for my level of indulgence the TH is really inadequate)

I’m trying to eliminate the factors so that I can find a fix to this issue.
Tried the same juice in one of the old e-cigs from airsmoker.com, refilling it’s cartomizer and guess what…. I have a good TH…, but no vapor now!!!!
Since Riva has a Lithion Ion battery, it will ideally give you full power till the end of the charge and then suddenly die out (Li-ion by design).
What’s thus left in the equation is the atomizer.
So I tried dripping. That maybe … really maybe, gave a 2% better TH. It should be noted that even with PG only liquids, I get a good amount of vapor but no TH.
Nic level is at around 11-16mg. (people have claimed great TH with lesser nic)
Thinking that that atty was bad, I ordered another one, and that too is a close relative of the first one.

Someone suggested that the atty is a cold one and that I should try an LR one. I’m going to give that one a shot, but in the mean time, had anybody else experienced a similar case, and if you did, any anecdotal remedies?

Is there any fix that will work, or will I have to order another kit? (which effing one now?)


Thanks!

 

[CardinalWinds]

In general, PG gives better TH than VG and, I don't know who told you that lower nic gives better TH, but it's the other way around.

A standard 510 battery does not give you a true 3.7 volts under load, no matter what the mAh rating is, and while some find it adequate, I find a standard resistance atty to be too weak on a 510 battery.

My suggestion would be LR attys/cartos on the batteries you have; moving up to a real 3.7V device or even 5-6V; increasing nic level. Those are in no particular order.

I have a ProVape-1 (excellent 3.7V PV) that I use LR gear on and a 6V Prodigy that I use attys/cartos in the 3Ω range. My juice is 24-32 mg. Throat hit is fantastic.

 

[Vidi]

I have found that I get a better TH with a LR atty, but the difference is almost marginal.

For more TH add a few drops of vodka to your juice and see if that helps. Ive found that TH ( at least for me ) is really based on the juice.


Also, I am vaping on an eGo with the 900 battery.

 

[s6a6n6d6m6a6n]

Hi, as I read your post the one thing that came to mind was the atty, which you have on order and which I hope solves your problem. Personally, in anticipation of equipment failures, I ordered extra starter kits (different models) because as an ex-smoker who doesn't want to use cigarettes again, I didn't want to be caught without something else to use in the event a unit goes bad. It's just like when we used to smoke and were always checking that we had cigarettes on hand. I hope you have a backup in the meantime and if not, maybe you should get another one as soon as you can.

Good luck!

Thanks Delilah718.
I agree with what you are saying.
Tobacco companies actually made analog smoking a whole lot easier deal than vaping ; availability, ease and quality control.
It was so easy to buy a carton of 'Maxi-boro' from 'Cotsco' and all it needed was a lighter and a fool.

While there is a replacement atty on order, i still want to get to the bottom of this issue.
Maybe i'll be able to figure it out when i'm able to compare the LR with the regular one.

But what surprises me is that if the 510 regular attys sucked so bad, why is it the most popular model?

 

[throatkick]

Apart from increasing TH, dripping will also allow you to control the "hits" almost with 100% accuracy. For max TH I use a LEO.
It is not a high voltage device but the TH is smooth, full, alive and flavorful. You have to get familiar with it though. It takes a bit to get a "feel" for it. The second you feel the slightest trace of that tin-like sensation on your throat, put in two more drops (I let the drops slide down the barrel of the atty) wait about 30 seconds or so and then vape away. A good 8-10 hits are there just waiting to be enjoyed

If you overdo it with the juice, you will hear gurgling, the hit will be weak and so will the vapor. You have to find that "sweet spot" Once you do, you will wonder why the heck you ever smoked cigarettes. I find it to be much nicer. Just me, my experiences and .02

I get a nice sensation out of my 5v PV with a 510. It is the voltage that makes the difference though. On the other hand, the 510 is easier to manage than the Leo atty. If it floods, just blow it out thoroughly into a paper towel add 2 drops, again letting them slide down the atty, wait 20-30 secs and you're good to go.

If you follow this method successfully, you should even be able to get halfway decent TH out of a Riva or Ego.

The juice is always a factor. I use 100% VG at 24mg. There is no way of knowing exactly what you are using and what's going on. You just gotta find the sweet spot between the atty, juice, voltage, method etc.

Not turning this into a commercial for anything...... just offering my solution to the OP's frustration in hopes of having yet another happy ex-smoker/happy vaper.

All the best!

 

[xoYOmamaox]

i would order a bloog stater kit with a few pacs of cartos in the nic. mg you want and presto good th and ry4 is the best. i guess if you really get into it you could start with a ego and some juice i have not went there as of yet the bloog is just easy and they are comming out with juice soon so then i will refill hope this helps

 

[kmac]

As has been said, go with all PG, higher nic. I would also suggest trying some different juice vendors. Don't know what all you have, but every different juice vendor has a different feel at least to me.

Other than that, try those LR attys. Might help, but those for me haven't really increased TH too much. Maybe try a different supplier for attys. I have gotten a string of bad attys at certain times from certain vendors that shall remain nameless.

Good luck, there's got to be a solution in there somewhere. Lots of people use Rivas and the 510s are probably the most popular attys around so I'm sure you'll get it straightened out. Just don't give up. I've spent a lot of time with trial and error with ecigs, but you'll find the right formula that will work for you. If all else fails, try a different device. I personally get a good TH from my ego t, but that's definitely not the unit of choice for that.

 

[BWG707]

I keep hearing about using Vodka for a better TH. What quality of vodka are you using? Decent stuff or any old "rot gut"? Also I've heard Vodka is good for cleaning attys and cartos, is that true? Thanks for any replys.

 

[s6a6n6d6m6a6n]

now i gotta buy a multimeter !!!

 

[Hrtbrkr1965]

With my riva I got to the no throat hit stage for a while....bought some 1.5 ohm LR Atties and started direct dripping and it was like night and day in throat hit! Also bought a 3.7 box mod and it works even better on TH with the LR atties!

 

[mortios]

@ BWG: I've gotta good results from around one drop of vodka to every seven to ten drops of juice. I used the $5.00 a fifth welfare vodka (Popov, Vlad, Aristocrat) because there is no way I'm putting my Grey Goose in e-liquid.

 

[Delilah718]

Hi Sandman,
I bought a 510 because of all the great reviews it got here on ECF. My own reason for purchasing a 510 was because I wanted the better vapor it promised (and which I am still getting because I rotate my models daily). Only a couple a months later, and now the EgoT seems to be all the rage. One thing is for sure, the eCig will keep evolving and getting better and better!

Please friend me and let me know how it works out for you

 

[s6a6n6d6m6a6n]

Thanks guys!

Any suggestion on the LR attys, where to buy? LRs that have worked out great for you guys?
Since i'm new to the world of vaping, i'm still kinda discovering the vendor i will like for quality, service and price.

 

[Blueberry]

When I want a real TH, I go for my 3.7v BB, my 1.5 LR 306 Cisco atty & a good 24mg e.juice (80/20 PG/VG), that definitely does the trick For everyday use, I take a LR carto to go with my eGo or KR808 and use 100% PG 18mg e.juice, the TH is quite good.

 

[dormouse]

How much nicotine in your juices? Nicotine is TH. PG lets it through better. VG dulls TH and flavor and makes more visible vapor.

And if you are 0 or super-low nic and want throat sensation then try QHit in your juices (sold by OneStopDIYSHop or FredomSmokeUSA and others) or (black) pepper juice (FreedomSmokeUSA) or buy flavors with built-in throat sensation - flavors containing mint, menthol, cinnamon, ginger, peppery tobaccos etc

If you have more than 12mg nic and high PG ratio and still no TH, try LR attys and cartos - will suck the battery charge faster but vape hotter